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Old 03-25-2004, 11:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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about to finally take the plunge and go digital, i know...i'm old fashioned like that [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]. all i own is nikon glass, so my choice is somewhat limited. was considering the new d70 (btw:they're flying off the shelves) but have not ruled out the d100. i know some say that the d100 is old technology, but i really do not see a big difference between the two models. i have not ruled out the fuji s2.
how about some advice from you seasoned users out there.

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Old 03-25-2004, 11:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I spoke to my friend that teaches photography at CMSU and he say the students are dumping their D100's for the S-2's. The S-2's are more expensive. I haven't sseen the D-70 but I've "heard" that it isn't as sturdy (more plastic than metal) as the other two and won't stand up to misuse. Violence and technology aren't compatable.

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I shoot the S-1 and love it. CMSU=Central Missouri State University.

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I'm certainly not what you might consider "seasoned," but of the choices that you mentioned, IMO, the S2 is a slam-dunk. It's reasonably current yet is about to be superceded (so the price should come down a bit). One of the greatest selling points of the S2 to me is the menu system - I had it "roughed in" without cracking the book two minutes after taking it out of the box. Of course, it's the fine tuning that counts.

My very strong feeling about asking advice about which camera to buy is parallel to asking about which pistol to buy:

If you can't hold it, you can't shoot it, so anything that anyone says here is essentially irrelevant. After all, YOU are the one buying it, not us...

Lay hands for an extended period of time on each of your candidates and see which one "fits" the best.

Cheers!
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Old 03-26-2004, 12:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Like Jon said you can't really make a decision till u shoot with both of them or all three in your case. I was torn between the d100 and s2 until i got them both in my hands. =)

The S2 felt better and fuji is known for their ccd =) So, with the S2 you get the Nikon hardware plus better ccd =)

Just my opinion.

good luck!
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Old 03-26-2004, 01:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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First, I'd like to start with an apology for writing a novel.. I do recommend checking out the reviews on DPReview.com in addition to what I have written below.

In my opinion, it all comes down to finding what meets your needs. I've seen fantastic work out of the D100 and the S2 up to 24x30 prints. I couldn't see the difference between them at that size.

I was a Fuji S2 owner but switched to the D100 and haven't looked back since. The main reason I switched was an issue that my S2 had where it would focus on the background instead of the subject. A few very seasoned pro's had the same problem. We all switched the D100.

Besides the fact that I have no focus issues with the D100, what I like about it over the S2 is:

- The rechargeable battery that comes with the camera is good for about around 1000 shots with the post-view enabled.

- The grip is better in my opinion and adding the MB-D100 is much better than adding an MB-16 to the Fuji S2. I use the portrait grip buttons on the MB-D100.

- With the MB-D100 you can use 2 of the EN-EL3 rechargeables for even more shooting time.

- I haven't seen the need to clean the sensor yet after 5000+ shots. The Fuji seemed like a dust magnet.

- RAW (NEF) files save a LOT faster on the D100. Using a Lexar 40x Pro card an uncompressed RAW file saves in about 6 seconds. The Fuji was way to slow if you were shooting anything that was alive. Playback of RAW files is much faster on the D100 as well.

- The D100 uses USB to connect to a computer. It works okay but the S2 uses FireWire which is very nice.


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The D70 has a better feature set (including an updated version of the same CCD, the 1005-pixel 3D color matrix meter of the D1/D2/F5 cameras, 1/500sec flash sync instead of 1/180sec, iTTL (new type flash system), 1/8000 top shutter speed instead of 1/4000, better LCD (though not really by a visible amount), faster CF card writing, and automatic rotation of images not taken vertically).

What it lacks from the D100 is mirror lockup for long exposures, no 10-pin connector, and the optional vertical grip (which in addition to the luxury, held extra batteries in the D100). It's also built a little lighter than the D100, though I have to point out it's an F5 compared to its direct competition, the flimsy Canon 300D.

For $400 less than the D100, I think the D70 is absolutely a superior choice.

I don't have extensive Fuji experience, but here are some brief comments: I think the rear camera layout & menu system on the Nikon is better. In order of increasing speed: S2 @ 2 FPS & 1/125 flash sync, D100 @ 3 FPS & 1/180 flash sync, D70 @ 3 FPS & 1/500 flash sync. It has the lowest-rez LCD of the 3, although the differences aren't really visible. Don't believe the hype, it's only 6 megapixels like the D70 & D100!! Save your money and upsample in Photoshop if it's necessary; the camera's upsampling isn't any better. This camera should cost about what the D70 costs.
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Old 03-26-2004, 08:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hi Rick,
I was pretty much at your shoes till begining of 2004. Really looking to go digital but with my budget a little bit tight I put aside D100 from mind and instead looking for some alternative option. Finally got a good deal from our own GG moderator, Bob. He let me buy his S1 Pro. And let me tell you something.. I'm very happy with it.

Here are the hints; This is will be my first ever Digi-Cam. If you know a little bit how to ride a bike and want to buy your first bike.. why would you go with freshly new 2004 bike if you can get 1994 bike, with of course less amount to spend, and get used to it and get the hang of it and when you ready then go get that freshly new 2004 bike.

So the S1 Pro is really work for me. I don't have to spend money that much and I still get my first Digi-Cam and 'learn' to know how to really use its functions. Meantime I can save some money and when I'm ready I can get D100.

So starting February 28, 2004, on Supershoot San Diego Workshop, I'm officialy goes Digital. Now I'm on the chapter of learning PhotoShop. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Here is a picture I took on my first day using my first ever Digital Camera:
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Old 03-26-2004, 04:12 PM   #9 (permalink)
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i would like to thank all of you more experienced digi-users for your valueable advice in this matter. i'm kind of leaning towards the d100 at this time...we'll see what happens.
once more...thank you.
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I've been using an S2 almost since it hit the streets. It's a terrific camera for portraits with good pictures straight out of the camera. No need for tweaking, no real need to shoot RAW format unless you really want to.

It is getting old, but it's images still out-do the competition (although that's a subjective statement and I'm sure there will be those who disagree).

If you want a higher res camera, you'll have to get a Kodak DCS/slr or a Canon D1s.

The D70 does have have lots of cool things, like the F5 meter and faster autofocus, but that's not necessarly going to get a better picture.
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