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Nikkor 80-200 f2.8 With Scratch!
Old 03-22-2004, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My husband bought a new lens for me from ebay, and we received it today. I was SO very excited to get it until I opened up the box and found it to be pretty badly beaten up (NOT the "excellent" condition it was described to be), but the most disconcerting thing is the huge scratch on the lens itself. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Would you all recommend taking a photograph of something, in order to fully visualize whatever problems may occur later due to the one big scratch and other smaller ones? I did that with a white piece of paper and see nothing that jumps out at me. Is there something else I can photograph to fully see the effects of this scratch?

Should I send it back and get a refund? Here are two pictures of the lens:





Thanks for any input here.
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Re: Nikkor 80-200 f2.8 With Scratch!
Old 03-22-2004, 05:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a lens with a similar scratch. After several hundered shots it hasn't appeared in any photos but it's always best to test. I normally keep a UV filter mounted but the one time I don't I get a scratch.

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Re: Nikkor 80-200 f2.8 With Scratch!
Old 03-22-2004, 05:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If you think the price you paid is unfair for a lens in that condition, then send it back for a refund. If it was a good price for a user-grade lens with a scratched front element, keep it and use it. It's unlikely you'll ever see any ill effects on your photos from the scratch.
 
 
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If the price was appropriate for a mint condition lens, return it and demand a refund, but if it was a 'bargain' price, keep it. You will never see the scratch itself in a photo, what you 'will' see is a slight or major degradation in sharpness. In some ways, it's sort of like having a built in softening filter.

Again, the scratch itself will not register on the film, only the light scattered in random directions inside the lens, which will cause a loss of accutance or sharpness. It's sort of similar to a lens I have which has a fungus on an inner element; it works great, it's just a bit softer than it sould be. That isn't always bad for people pix.

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Old 03-22-2004, 07:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for the replies thus far. They've been very helpful, and it's good to know the scratch likely won't show in any of my images. I'd like perfect sharpness, but feel I can live with less than perfect quality for the money. The price we paid was $301.00. I think it's a very good deal, but am miffed that the listing explicitly claimed the lens was in excellent condition with "no scratches or marks" on the glass. Such is ebay, unfortunately.

With the brand new version running in the arena of $900 (or $800 with a mail in rebate), what do you all think? Good for the money? I'm thinking I'll keep it, but am interested in your opinions.
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Re: Nikkor 80-200 f2.8 With Scratch!
Old 03-23-2004, 02:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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the lens barrel doesn't concern me at all. the scratch does. it just depends on how much was paid for it. if not much, you came out okay.

HOWEVER... a lens with a scratch is not an "excellent condition lens" it can have some minor markings on the barrel or whatever, but any scratches or mechanical defects eliminates it from that category and should be detailed for the buyer by the seller. To not disclose it is dishonest.

If you want to see the effects of the scratch and how serious or not it is, get a high vantage point and shoot a horizon with lots of evenly-toned sky (look for loss of contrast and flarity as well as uneven tonality). Also shoot something backlit , both underexposed subject and more normally exposed subject (background blowing out) again, check your contrast and flarity. Then shoot what you'd normally shoot in your normal conditions and see how it stacks up to your expectations.

If it performs fairly well in these tests, forget about it and chalk it up to exprience. If not, raise hell on ebay. You didn't get what was adverised.
 
 
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Good for the money. Depends on your shooting style and needs though.
 
 
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Make sure that you comment on the seller's feedback that the lens yuo recieved was not as described in the listing. Don't go into the "was it worth it for the money" discussion -- that's not the point.

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Re: Nikkor 80-200 f2.8 With Scratch!
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The seller's intent is UNACCEPTABLE! I've BOUGHT & SOLD on E-bay and strive to be complete and true to the description & pictures. The seller's intent, under the spirit of E-bay's regs, can be construed as fraudulent. Make EVERY EFFORT and document to contact the seller to rectify your situation. E-bay is built on mutual trust(to a certain extent), and reviewing the feedback isn't neccessarily a reliable indicator of good trading practices. CAVEAT EMPTOR is the RULE rather than the exception. If this situation were to happen to me, I would be VERY AGGRESSIVE in making it right, as a buyer or a seller.
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not a bad price -- but make DAMN sure you register your displeasure in the seller comments section.
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