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Old 05-19-2008, 05:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone, I want to play around with doing some work in the mid day. I have seen some great stuff that was shot in mid day by over powering the sun with a flash. What is the rule for setting up the flash and camera to do this ? Do you have to meter the sun to get a reference ?

Thanks for any help you can give me..

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Well, I do have some experience in this, and I'll share what has worked for me, but it does take some practice. First thing I had to do was forget how to use all of the auto exposure settings. Manual is the way to go here. The smaller the apature, the darker the background, along with a faster shutter speed, I usually go for 1/250, since that's the fastest sync speed my camera can handle. So, basiclly, a small apature along with a faster shutter speed. I hope this helps you out.

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Isaiah:

What Nikon do you shoot with. Depending upon the camera a flash, you might be able to synch all the way up to your fastest shutter speed (regardless of what the manual says).

http://strobist.blogspot.com/2008/01...high-sync.html
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I'm shooting with the Nikon D2Xs with the SB-800
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I'm shooting with the Nikon D2Xs with the SB-800
With this combination you can use the "Nikon Auto FP High-speed Synch Flash" mode, and use your flashgun at maximum shutter speed 1/8000 sec.

I haven't tried it myself yet and it seems it has to be used with care because the flash power is greatly reduced.

Excellent explanation here:
Auto FP High Speed Flash
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With this combination you can use the "Nikon Auto FP High-speed Synch Flash" mode, and use your flashgun at maximum shutter speed 1/8000 sec.

I haven't tried it myself yet and it seems it has to be used with care because the flash power is greatly reduced.

Excellent explanation here:
Auto FP High Speed Flash
Lol, I'm hoping that the original poster has a Nikon, lol. But, this is helpful for me though, I do appreciate the info.
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Hi, No I changed over to Canon a while ago. Just a 20d and some top end glass. I will get a chance to use the strobe outside this weekend. I have enough info to figure out what to do.

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Hi, No I changed over to Canon a while ago. Just a 20d and some top end glass. I will get a chance to use the strobe outside this weekend. I have enough info to figure out what to do.

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No problem Mike, while the thread did get sidetracked about Nikon equipment, I'm hoping that you did get enough ideas or tips to help you out. Good shooting!
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Hi,
To overpower the sun you will first need lots of power.
We normally use an Elinchrom Ranger RX speed on full power with an A head and a Deep octa or open reflector (depending on the look you want).

It all depends on how bright the sun is of course, at the evening you can do the same with a lot less power.

Also see what you want to do, you can make day into almost night with enough power, but most of the time it's much nicer to balance the sun and the model, see two examples.

Both shot during almost midday with the Ranger RX speed.





Using leaf shutterlenses in a MF system like the RZ67Pro from Mamiya or Hasselblad helps ALOT, being able to sync at 1/400 will give you much more control over the ammount of sunlight being blocked.
With a normal DSLR you are often limited to 1/125 or 1/160 for studio strobes.

I will be explaining the techniques on the Los Angeles workshops in June by the way.

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Thanks for the info. I did some testing today but things did not turn out the way I wanted them to. Tomorrow is another day.. Nice work by the way !
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