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Look at both of the images.my question is this.
Old 12-31-2006, 11:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I need to get more time in a shoot at the golden hour. Look at the two images and you can see what happens when you shoot to early and when you shoot just a few minutes later. Is a scrim the only way to buy more time for shooting ? As a rule I like most of you want a great shot right out of the camera. Also what is the best way to correct the blown out areas of the first shot ?

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in some ways, the term "golden hour" is a misnomer as the light is changing so radically during this time period. the best photographic opportunities, light-wise, seem to occur during far briefer periods of time than during a complete hour.
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I can't answer your questions about a scrim but on blown out areas, you can't really recover them.

I have to ask though. These shots look like they were taken from 2 different angles to the sun, one away from the water and one towards the water. Could the differences be as much to do with the direction of your light source?

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If you look carefully at both photos, you will notice several things.

First, the 'light' hasn't changed - at least not significantly - between the two shots. You will notice the same skin tones and the same rendering of form (ie. the hills & valleys and round things that make up a body).

Second, your camera direction has changed about 180 degrees. The direction of light has changed from camera left to camera right. You might find this rather surprising in view of the first observation.

Third, the most dramatic change in the two shots is the background. In the first, the background is busy & distracting; in the second, plain and simple. In the second, the background is predominantly blue and the skin tones tend to jump out at you while in the first, the skin tones fade back into similar tones in the background.

'Golden hour' is not really relevant to the differences between these pictures.

I sure could use a dose of that southern sunshine up here in frostbitten Ontario.

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I can't answer your questions about a scrim but on blown out areas, you can't really recover them.

I have to ask though. These shots look like they were taken from 2 different angles to the sun, one away from the water and one towards the water. Could the differences be as much to do with the direction of your light source?

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The image with the hot areas were done in a bunch of angles. I was looking for the best angle to limit the hot spots. After we did that set she changed and we shot the other set with the water in the background. It seems like the light gets softer as it go's down. With the sun still up but not at 12 o'clock you get the harsh shadows. But then there is is short time that the light is soft and perfect. If I turned the model into the light on the first image she would be all one big hot spot. So would a scrim be the best way to soften the light ? Camera setting would not have helped much as the hot spots are there and not made by camera settings .

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If you look carefully at both photos, you will notice several things.

First, the 'light' hasn't changed - at least not significantly - between the two shots. You will notice the same skin tones and the same rendering of form (ie. the hills & valleys and round things that make up a body).

Second, your camera direction has changed about 180 degrees. The direction of light has changed from camera left to camera right. You might find this rather surprising in view of the first observation.

Third, the most dramatic change in the two shots is the background. In the first, the background is busy & distracting; in the second, plain and simple. In the second, the background is predominantly blue and the skin tones tend to jump out at you while in the first, the skin tones fade back into similar tones in the background.

'Golden hour' is not really relevant to the differences between these pictures.

I sure could use a dose of that southern sunshine up here in frostbitten Ontario.

Les Howard
Hi Les,

I can't explain it any better but when I was shooting Katie in the water there were no hot spots and just before when shooting the other set you can just look at her and see the hot spots from the sun. If I turned her into the light she was wat to bright. I run into this problem all the time.

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in some ways, the term "golden hour" is a misnomer as the light is changing so radically during this time period. the best photographic opportunities, light-wise, seem to occur during far briefer periods of time than during a complete hour.
Hi Jimmy,

I think your right about that. So what would you do to extend the time when the light is perfect ?

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The hot spots your talking about in the first photo don't seem to be blown to me. I guess it depends on your definition of "blown". But, as the sun goes down the more defuse the light from it becomes as it has to travel through more of earth's atmosphere. There are "hot spots" in the other photo too. Unfortunatly, you can't stop the world from turning, so you can't expect to do two hours work with an hour's worth of light. The only thing I can think of would be to use a canopy to block the sun's light and bounce light on to her with a big amber reflector while the sun is in it's early stages of setting, until it turns to really gold/orange light.
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I think it's just a case of being a little overexposed on the first image, which is why you are losing the highlights.

That being said, you had an incredible model to work with!
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Old 12-31-2006, 07:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I think it's just a case of being a little overexposed on the first image, which is why you are losing the highlights.

That being said, you had an incredible model to work with!
I had to adjust my exposer to her outfit. It was a shoot for a clothing designer so I had to make sure the suit was right. Even just looking at her with my eyes I could see she was being blasted by the sun. If I changed my settings to under expose the image I think to area that is not so bright would be to dark. Am I right on this ?

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