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Re: Softbox Suggestions Please
Old 12-06-2006, 01:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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As Roger said, changing the power will not change the ratio, or spill. Make sure you've got the strobe mounted appropriately in the umbrella - are yours shoot-through, or reflecting? If reflecting, are the backs opaque, or are you getting scatter through the back? If reflecting, I've found that having the strobe too far out reduces my control as some light escapes the umbrella - but that's also a function of what reflector is on the source.
It was my experience that the scatter and spill from umbrellas caused the extra "broadness", and that could be controlled by using dark materials around the shooting area and moving the subject away from reflecting surfaces.
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Re: Softbox Suggestions Please
Old 12-08-2006, 12:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Make sure you've got the strobe mounted appropriately in the umbrella - are yours shoot-through, or reflecting? If reflecting, are the backs opaque, or are you getting scatter through the back?
I am using shoot-through umbrellas...

I took some suggestions, and tried again:



On this shot, I moved the umbrellas back a couple of feet, the main was at camera right at 45 degrees to the model at 1/2 power, the fill was camera left at 45 degrees to the model at 1/8 power. Both were positioned same height as the model's face. I also used a low power flash for a background light.

Is the lighting getting any better?
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Re: Softbox Suggestions Please
Old 12-08-2006, 01:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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IMO, you're getting more directional light - as evidenced by the shadows - but still soft. Your positioning is not giving the most flattering lighting.

Shoot-through umbrellas bounce some light and that tends to make it harder to control.
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Re: Softbox Suggestions Please
Old 12-08-2006, 02:12 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Shoot-through umbrellas bounce some light and that tends to make it harder to control.
And thus we get back to the original topic of this thread: What would you suggest?
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Re: Softbox Suggestions Please
Old 12-08-2006, 03:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Move the Main light a little higher to get a more classic Rembrandt lighting. Experiment with some black reflectors. Best way to do this is to just get a big black reflector about 3x4 and hold it at various positions and document each position you try, by comparing what it does to the shadows and tones.
I think the current photo is much better than the original photo you posted, so you're making progress.
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Re: Softbox Suggestions Please
Old 12-08-2006, 05:02 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I like the Multidomes. They have silver and/or gold inserts. Speedrings designed for BALCAR will fit the bees.

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Re: Softbox Suggestions Please
Old 12-09-2006, 05:25 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Thanks to everyone for their input and suggestions.

Well, I am off to Cancun for a week for some needed R&R. Once I get back, I will try some more of the lighting suggestions and post the results.

Thanks again....
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Re: Softbox Suggestions Please
Old 12-09-2006, 07:43 AM   #18 (permalink)
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If you are still looking for a softbox, I would suggest the Patterson/Interfit brand. I purchased one of their strip boxes and I think the quality is very good. It is much better than the other brand of softbox I have and it is MUCH cheaper than the big names. I have been told that they will also offer grids for them not too far down the road.

The Patterson box also has a removable front as the rods fit into the box sides and not in the translucent face of the box.

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Umbrellas are great when it rains..
Old 12-17-2006, 10:08 PM   #19 (permalink)
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While I started out with umbrellas when I first started shooting, I have a saying, "Umbrellas are only good when it rains, and besides, it's bad-luck to open one indoors."

With that said, ever wonder why so many brands of lighting companies give away umbrellas with their kits? An umbrella is the hardest thing you can use to learn to master light with, first, it scatters light everywhere for nice flat images. Now you mentioned you shoot through them, well that's a better way to use them for what you are doing, but still to specular to your subject.

The reason people with knowledge in photography tell you to go with softboxes over umbrellas is because you can control the light very easy with a softbox and it's more difficult with an umbrella. Again, umbrellas scatter light everywhere like when rain drops hit their tops--boxes do not, think of a soft box as a "window" of light, a beam of light. Window light is always better than the open sky.

I recommend you go to a softbox. If you can afford a Chimera go for it, if not Larson, if not PhotoFlex. Ideally you will find that at least a 3-foot by 4-foot box is the best way to go for average home studios and even commercial studios. If you can afford a 4- x 6-foot one, the better, because the quality of light for glamour is sweeter as the light source becomes larger in relation to the subject. See this article on softboxes.

That article should help. First though, by one box and learn how to use it properly. Worry about grids later, girds often cost as much as a good box as almost all grids are made by Lighttools® regardless what brand of box you have. After you get that one box and feel comfortable with it, invest in a set of 48-inch strip lights, this is where you'd like to put grids eventually and you can take some serious fine-art photos with two strips and grids.

While it is about using the right tool for the right job, it's also about "building" your lighting gear. Buy the best you can possibily afford, even if it's one piece at time. Great lighting gear should last 12-20 years! If you buy cheap you get stuff that will normally not last but the period of their warranty.

Now even though I made fun at umbrellas, I will use them to light a background scene if I want a scatter of light to emulate the outdoors, that's about it for me and umbrellas, haven't used one in years and I have about 10 of the darn things that came free with all my lighting kits if not more--perhaps I should sell them on E-bay? Not, why make photography hard for someone else.

Thanks and thanks for being a part of the G1 family and community. Happy Holidays, rg sends!

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Re: Umbrellas are great when it rains..
Old 12-18-2006, 10:40 AM   #20 (permalink)
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.... haven't used one in years and I have about 10 of the darn things that came free with all my lighting kits if not more--perhaps I should sell them on E-bay? Not, why make photography hard for someone else.
You could always send those umbrellas to me!

Let me know and I'll get you my address, I'll put them to good use.
If rg "sends", dj will pay shipping!

Shot with one cheap umbrella....nothing else!
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