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Old 04-05-2006, 09:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Looking into purchasing a strobe or a kit to start taking my hobby to the next level. Im leaning towards alien bees due to all the great reviews. I have 300-500 to spend so any direction I can get would be fantastic. Also should I get a package with 2 lights or would it be better to get 1 with more power. Please set me straight.

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Old 04-05-2006, 10:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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After using old White Lightning lights for years, I recently upgraded to Bees. Unless you have a really large area, you are best using two smaller strobes than one large. Look at their packages with stand, umbrella, etc.

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Old 04-05-2006, 04:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I just got my first last week, I bought the beginner bee only played with it a little bit ,so far but I like it. This week ordered background stands and seamless paper so now I should be good to go. just got off ebay there is a bunch of B1600 on there.
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Old 04-05-2006, 05:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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By a set of Bees, I LOVE mine ... but don't rush to throw out those old flash heads that attach to the top of your camera -- with a $15 optical slave, they make great hairlights!
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Old 04-05-2006, 07:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I recommend Alien Bees 1600.
1st) not much more $$ wise.
2nd) If you just starting out they are easy to set up.
3rd) You will want the extra juice as you progress into bigger and better jobs.

Good luck.....

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Old 04-05-2006, 07:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You guys are awesome. I think I will get the little package with a 1600 in it and then buy another in a few weeks to make a 2 piece setup. I keep looking on ebay and they are few and far between. New is the way to go I guess. Thanks all!
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Old 04-06-2006, 08:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Before you run off and buy a B1600 (or any light) you really should think carefully about how you intend to use it. What will you be shooting? If people, is it one person or groups? Head and shoulders or full-length? How big is your studio?

And most importantly, what is your shooting style like?

Whether a B400 or B800 or B1600 is right for you (or any other light/brand) you need to think about these things.

For example, there are a few things you should consider: A "rule-of-thumb" is that the proper distance for any modifier from the subject (whether it's a softbox or umbrella or whatever) is approximately the same as the diameter of the modifier. That means a 5' diameter Octodome softbox should be about 5' from the subject for optimium light quality. If you move the modifier further back (as beginners would tend to do in order to reduce the amount of light hitting the subject) the quality of the light "changes" (I won't say gets worse, as that depends on what you are trying to do) and it becomes "harsher".

Think carefully about how you like to shoot portraits... do you like lots of depth-of-field and want to shoot at f11-f22? Or do you favor really shallow DOF (as I do) so you can focus on the eyes and have everything else nicely softer? I like to shoot at f2-4.

And if you get a light that's too strong you are unable to do that. I have two B400's and four B800's and by far I preferred the B400's. Even then I wasn't always (depending on the modifier) able to shoot as wide open as I'd have liked. With a B800 it was impossible. And a B1600 would be harder still.

Yes, the power output is variable, but my own experience with Alien Bees (also confirmed about a year ago by their tech support folks) was that at anything less than 1/8th power the light output wasn't consistent. Sometimes it varied as much as a full f-stop! And color temperature also varied across the power range. So don't think you will be able to reduce the output of a B1600 sufficiently to shoot portraits at large apertures.

I've just switched to Hensel lights, mainly because they give consistent power and color temp output across the full power range. And there's a greater range of accessories available for them (better quality too). But the Alien Bees are certainly great value and in spite of their plastic bodies, stand up very well to lots of use. Just make sure you choose which power light to get very carefully.

Try to understand the differences in shooting styles, subjects, modifiers, etc. and don't just listen to me (saying get B400's) or someone else saying to get B1600's... try to make the right decision based on how YOU like to shoot.

Good luck!

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Old 04-06-2006, 02:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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what Eldor said...

1600 is probably overkill
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I use an 800 in a 30 by 40 softbox for full length shots of girls. I have never had occasion to crank it beyond about a quarter to a third up from the lowest setting. Unless you are shooting in a BIG studio with a HUGE softbox about 50 feet from the model, I can't imagine needing the 1600.

Get an 800, if it doesn't do the job you need done, you can have Alien Bees upgrade it to the 1600 at the original cost difference plus $25 if my memory isn't totally gone.

And hold on to your old lights unless you get a really good deal on selling them. A man can never have too many lights... (yes, you can, but then you are probably shooting for Playboy and that's just the way they do it...)

Love dem Bees...

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Old 04-07-2006, 03:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Looking into purchasing a strobe or a kit to start taking my hobby to the next level. Im leaning towards alien bees due to all the great reviews. I have 300-500 to spend so any direction I can get would be fantastic. Also should I get a package with 2 lights or would it be better to get 1 with more power. Please set me straight.
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Great post, and great feedback thus far. I'd litke to leapfrog off this and get the reactions of the group.
Same situation, but expand the budget to $1,000. The long-term intent is to shoot children, portraits, and in home private glamour....and the occasional in studio pinup as budget allows. Would you look towards the value and diversity that $1,000 buys in Alien Bees, or do you forego the broad selection and commit to the long-term quality of Hensel? I was all set to pop for Alien Bees, and then I spent two days with Rolando. "Guys spend $5,000 on cameras which are outdated in two years and then skimp on lights that will last for 10 years." The man makes a good point...
So how about it? You've got $1,000 to spend (plus or minus another $250 if it really makes sense)...what would you do?
And Rolando...if you see this...did you get my PM about the promotional offers from the workshop? Again, great workshop...I'm offically out for the next Chicago workshop with newborn, but will return in October. Get a date on the calendar and let me know!
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