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Fuji or Kodak Paper????
Old 04-07-2003, 08:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ok i have been researching this online printing stuff. and I have found that most of them use Fuji Crystal Archive paper.

However for the past two years I have used my local lab and had almost all my prints on Kodak Royal Gold. And the clients liked them, but they didn't have the Kodak Professional - DO NOT COPY on them. And the local lab doesn't use the pro paper.

Well having never used the Fuji archive before I found someone that had some prints on the Fuji. And low and behold the prints came from Walgreens.

When I got home I held all three types of paper. TO me the kodak professional (football pics from high school) and the fuji felt very delicate. While the Royal Gold felt more robust. But I could see a major difference in color quality in the Kodak Professional.

So bottom line. I have a problem selling anything that my clients can get the same results from Walgreens, and I have not been able to find an lab that accepts files electronically (not snail mail to them on a CD) that prints on Kodak Professional paper(s). I would prefere the PORTRA and SUPRA ENDURA Papers.

I want my digital darkroom to be just that. I want to take the files from my camera, Tweak them in photoshop, have my clients proof the files, e mail them to the lab and get them in my clients hands within a week.

where can I do this? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Re: Fuji or Kodak Paper????
Old 04-10-2003, 08:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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EZ Prints uses Kodak Ektacolor papers. Check them out -- I think they'll send you samples.

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Re: Fuji or Kodak Paper????
Old 04-10-2003, 09:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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they told me they used the crystal archive
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The glossies I just got back were on Crystal Archive.

But it looks like they have a professional service, so maybe they use Kodak paper for that.
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Interesting -- everything I've ever had printed by them was on Kodak.
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For most purposes in printing digital files, Fuji Chrystal Archive is the way to go. Good contrast, excellent saturation (I have my chromes scanned and printed onto Fuji), as archival as RA-4 gets. If you're actually in the color darkroom printing negs (which doesn't sound like your situation) then Kodak professional offers much much more flexibility. I personally have little use for Portra, but Supra and Ultra are regular materials in my toolbox, each used according to the amount of contrast needed (like using graded BW paper). Supra is a little flatter (about grade 2 1/2) and Ultra a bit snappier (roughly 3 1/2), and of course Portra the flattest of all (roughly grade 1 1/2). Compare to Chrystal Archive, which comes in one grade only (about 3). Of course, if you're not in the darkroom, and are photoshopping your images for output, or handing negs over to a lab for printing, the contrast grade flexibility really doesn't matter to you, but archival quality might.
 
 
Fuji..way to go huh?!
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so basically with the digital files, my photoshoping is gonna determine my contrast/edgyness, rather than the paper itself?
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Essentially, yes. Technically speaking, a given paper has a certain latitude and cannot exceed those inherent limitations, those limations being that a given amount of exposure (X) results in Y density on the paper that follows a curve once it reaches enough to result in discernable density (the "toe" of the film/paper curve) and will increase in density at a certain rate per amount of increased exposure until it reaches the "shoulder" where it begins to level off and all increases in exposure will simply block up the density.

So, simply stated, the paper imposes its limits. But with RA4 paper, the limitations are very broad. It's an inherently flexible medium. The most important job you have is photoshopping and then (very important) PROFILING TO YOUR OUTPUT DEVICE (which will be profiled to the material being used by the lab). When printing by hand, I prefer the Kodak papers because I can match the correct contrast grade paper to the contrast of each neg and contrast desired in the final print, but when photoshopping you're doing that "manually" in photoshop anyway.

So the simple answer to your question, with a bit too much explanation, is "yes."
 
 
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