New Canon 5D

[sean.armenta]

how interesting to read the perspective of someone who didn't come from a film background...

i always hated the 1.6 factor, and having to be 3 blocks away from the model to get her head-to-toe with an 85, which really f'd with the DOF i wanted to get in the first place.

it's sort of refreshing for those who went straight to shooting digital (with less than full frame sensors) now to be able to shoot full frame and discover the joys of utilizing the full potential of their lenses.

[LarryAB]

Originally Posted by Ron_C

I have not put it on e-bay yet I just put it in the local paper... It is a free ad for 30 days so I will go that route first if it does not go that way I will most likely go e-bay with it. I think the most I can get for it would be somewhere between $500 and $600 but I think closer to $500 Grrrrr..... I hate these things that don't hold value....

You should be able to do better than that. I just sold a D60 on ebay for $536, no lens, but with a battery charger, cables, software, strap, etc. A clean 10D ought to be able to do better than that.

The depreciation is a butt-kicker though. Reason enough for me not to upgrade every 18 months when they release a new model.

[Doug_Lester]

The 5D - I gotta get me one of those things!

But I do have a couple of questions. Being a non techie I'm curious as to whether the full frame provides for any additional sharpness over the 1:6 magnification? Granted accutance generally comes from the lens, but it would seem logical (from a non tech basis) that since the sensor is a bit larger, it might gain a bit more accutance?

Second question, who out there is going to spot me the cash to get one of those things! Any loansharks out there?

[Ron_C]

Originally Posted by Doug_Lester

But I do have a couple of questions. Being a non techie I'm curious as to whether the full frame provides for any additional sharpness over the 1:6 magnification? Granted accutance generally comes from the lens, but it would seem logical (from a non tech basis) that since the sensor is a bit larger, it might gain a bit more accutance?

Second question, who out there is going to spot me the cash to get one of those things! Any loansharks out there?

I have not done a whole lot of portraits with this thing yet. The few that I have done look tack sharp so far. And yes they do seem more sharp than the 20D to me.

And NO I will not buy one for you!!!! lol

[sean.armenta]

yes doug, the files off the 5D are sharper (all things being equal -- lenses etc..), and much smoother with a greater DR than a smaller sensor. i truly believe that the 5D is the digital camera for doug lester, with exception of course to a 4x5 with a digital back.

here's the 5D @ 800ISO:

[Doug_Lester]

Originally Posted by sean.armenta

yes doug, the files off the 5D are sharper (all things being equal -- lenses etc..), and much smoother with a greater DR than a smaller sensor. i truly believe that the 5D is the digital camera for doug lester, with exception of course to a 4x5 with a digital back.
here's the 5D @ 800ISO:

I agree, but now for my second question?

[Bevan]

I shot with one the other day and had a question maybe some one could answer

the sensor is bigger but the mega pixels are less dose that mean the size of the
pixels pickups on the chip are larger?

10 meg pix 2/3 inch And 10 meg pix in 3/4 inch they would have to be larger
Right

Second question so I gain Depth of field due to 1.6 factor , but loose definition
due to pixel size ? I think I will keep def and buy some shorter lens. lol

[sean.armenta]

Originally Posted by Bevan

the sensor is bigger but the mega pixels are less dose that mean the size of the
pixels pickups on the chip are larger?
Second question so I gain Depth of field due to 1.6 factor , but loose definition
due to pixel size ? I think I will keep def and buy some shorter lens. lol

less? the 5D has a 13MP sensor...
you can think of it in terms of surface area...just like film. you will always get better image quality from a larger original. of course there are pros and cons; a full frame sensor is more susceptible to vignetting, but more so with cheaper glass. but mm for mm, i would go with a larger sensor, because the end product will always be superior.
further reading: http://www.bobatkins.com/photography...e_matters.html

[Ron_C]

Originally Posted by sean.armenta

a full frame sensor is more susceptible to vignetting, but more so with cheaper glass.

I am not so sure about this statement.... I have been seeing vignetting with glass that I think is not cheap... 24-85mm $450.00 and my 17-40mm $850.00. this is only happening at thier widest fields of view.

[Bevan]

Originally Posted by sean.armenta

less? the 5D has a 13MP sensor...
you can think of it in terms of surface area...just like film. you will always get better image quality from a larger original. of course there are pros and cons; a full frame sensor is more susceptible to vignetting, but more so with cheaper glass. but mm for mm, i would go with a larger sensor, because the end product will always be superior.
further reading: http://www.bobatkins.com/photography...e_matters.html

I guess that is what I was thinking larger Pixels like large Grain Film
If the sensor Pixel spacing and size remained the same as the area
of the sensor increased you would have to have a 40 or 50 mp sensor
to match the quality of the 30d right.