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D200 VS 20D
Old 11-04-2005, 09:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just would like some honest opinions. I'm thinking about upgrading but I'm just torn on which way to go! I have D100's now (for two years) - nothing too wonderful in the way of lenses so it wouldn't KILL me to switch to Canon and start fresh. Any NICE advice - I'd love to hear it! I know the D200's aren't out yet but maybe some feedback on the 20D's...
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Re: D200 VS 20D
Old 11-04-2005, 11:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Boy, this is going to be fun. In my opinion both cameras will take excellent images. I have always been a Nikon guy and always will be. One of the main reasons I am is because of Nikon's ergonomics, controls, and build quality. Although the D200 has not been delivered yet, they have an excellent track record with the D100, 70, and D2x so I am going to take for granted their track record and the fact that they listened to their core customer base when building this camera, will be worth it. But I'm sure the Canon guys will say the same thing. So, I think the best thing you can do if you can wait, is to go feel and play with each camera and then make your decision based on that and the system each has to offer. Good luck.
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Re: D200 VS 20D
Old 11-05-2005, 12:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Canon is soon to release their upgraded "20D" body... they might call it the 30D... that's not important..

What's important is that you get a camera for your needs. From the sound of it, the D200 sounds like a damn nice camera. It costs a little more than the 20D, and is featured accordingly.

Keep in mind, there hasn't been any decent unbiased side by side comparison testing between the two cameras....and like I pointed out in the other D200 topic,..that more MP isn't necressarly better.. It could mean more dynamic range at the cost of more noise..and we all know just how cruddy the D70 is with noise..

If only 35mm film was this good:
20D, 300mm f2.8 L, 3200 iso


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Old 11-05-2005, 01:40 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The biggest downfall to the D200, at least for me, is that Nikon went with a CCD again, instead of using the better CMOS sensor. For me, that means the 20D, at least in my work, where I need to be able to do relatively noise-free images at high ISOs (wildlife, low-light situations) gets the one-up.

Otherwise, the D200 seems to be a mighty nice piece of hardware.

Me, I'm waiting for the upgrade for the 20D, and I don't mean the 5D either, with its 3 frames/sec burst rate. I want something with an equivalent or faster burst rate of the 20D with full frame sensor.
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Re: D200 VS 20D
Old 11-05-2005, 06:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The biggest downfall to the D200, at least for me, is that Nikon went with a CCD again, instead of using the better CMOS sensor. For me, that means the 20D, at least in my work, where I need to be able to do relatively noise-free images at high ISOs (wildlife, low-light situations) gets the one-up.

Otherwise, the D200 seems to be a mighty nice piece of hardware.

Me, I'm waiting for the upgrade for the 20D, and I don't mean the 5D either, with its 3 frames/sec burst rate. I want something with an equivalent or faster burst rate of the 20D with full frame sensor.

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I agree,....the 5D is nice for some situations,.......I was at a Milwaukee Admirals game last night,....and the slow frame rate (shooting ambient light only)....sucked.. My buddy Scott,...who is the team photog,....well,...he was plugged into the strobes overhead, and was only shooting 1 shot at a time..with his Mk2's.. but when it comes to events....available light stuff, and or mixing it with fill flash,....I am still using my 20D bodies for that.. Like I said in another post a while back,....the 5D makes for an awesome tripod camera.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] BTW,...I was just on B&H's website, and the dedicated vertical grip for the 5D is still out of stock there,...and everywhere else I look.. I don't know anyone who has one....and I just can't stand not having a vertical grip! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

I'm looking forward to those 20D upgrades too..

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Old 11-05-2005, 10:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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National backorder right now on all Canon products, IE: Building up holiday demand and supply crisis.


Grip's I have had though, sent out already to about 10 of my customers. Next shipment should be out shortly though.

Figure available on B&H's website *ponder* *tongue in cheek* 10 days ballpark.

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Old 11-05-2005, 10:22 AM   #7 (permalink)
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not sure you can actuately compare a camera that is not even out yet, but if you don't have too much invested..

I'd say SWITCH!!!
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Old 11-05-2005, 10:28 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Honestly, the D200 and the 20d comparisons would not be fair to the 20d.

The D200 is a newer technology and is not what Canon has to rival the D200 as JP mentioned above. The real comparison is what Canon has in store for around PMA 2006. HOWEVER, both Canon and Nikon know this. Thats why surprisingly Nikon struck first and put the D200 out just after the 5d started to die down in hype.

Furtermore, both Canon and Nikon are putting the pressure on shooters to decide now rather then later. Nikon's double rebates end this year as well as Canon's single,double, triple rebates. They are trying to encourage people to purchase a 20d and the glass needed and cash in with the rebates now.

And of course, come spring 06' "Man, should I upgrade from my 20d to my "30d"" so to speak.

Originally when I went digital, I had a list of requirements I needed met. I was shooting with an F100 and had an arsenal of Nikon glass so I was invested to heavily on my equipment. And with options like D30 and a 10d available, nothing was blowing the Nikon mounts out of the water yet. So it became the D100 or S2 for my choices. God knows I was never going for the D1x for the pricetag.

I needed low ISO, PC sync on the body, and a Nikon F mount as my top 3 things I was looking for in a digital SLR. The D100 did not have an ISO lower then 200 on the D100, and required an AS-15 adapter to sync. So my choice to the S2 with 100 ISO, a similar feel being designed off an N80 body, great color and the PC sync and could take nikon mounted lens's as well as my SB-80 flash without having to invest in DX made it an easy choice.

NOW, with the D200 release, my eyes have wandered from me cashing in on the Canon 20d option. I could wait for the "30d" if i want, but *shrug* Nikon has the D200 out Dec 15th or so and rebates to boot. Then again, I could just buy the Canon lenses and not shoot them on anything [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The D200 with its lower ISO, PC on the body, and optional grip make it an appealing option for the Nikon prosumer shooter. I know canon is going to have another camera out to compete with the price range, and more then likely full framed CMOS versus the 23.6 x 15.8 mm CCD (DX format)sensor on the D200. By the way, this might take note, the size of the D2x sensor (23.7 x 15.7 mm) but it is a CMOS sensor. So, like JP said, I am wondering about noise levels on a CCD with that many megapixels. Cause, quite frankly, no CCD sensor on any major camera has taken such a high effective megapixel count. (Fuji S3 is labeled as 12 but lets face facts, thats two sensors 6mp each ....with no real noise)

Im doing the wait and see. If you need something now now now and you love your Nikon glass I would say look into the D200, get your name on one of the lists that are out there cause quite frankly they are moving quite quickly. 20d is a fine camera now, I would say go for that if you really want Canon glass but be prepared to not kick yourself come spring and or upgrade.

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Old 11-05-2005, 11:28 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Nicole,
I read a review you might find helpful here: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0511/05110104nikond200.asp

Be sure to go to the comparison page and they do compare it to the 20D and the 5D.

Hope this helps you out.

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Old 11-05-2005, 11:41 AM   #10 (permalink)
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National backorder right now on all Canon products, IE: Building up holiday demand and supply crisis.


Grip's I have had though, sent out already to about 10 of my customers. Next shipment should be out shortly though.

Figure available on B&H's website *ponder* *tongue in cheek* 10 days ballpark.

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Please let me know when you have one in stock.....so I can buy it from you! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


That, and one of those standard eye cups ....they fit the 20D, as well as the 5D... I misplaced one a few weeks ago.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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