I would greatly appreciate it if someone could please explain to me the utter fascination that photographers and especially pros have with â€˜big glassâ€™.
........Sure,.....I think I can help..
This subject has just about taken on the status of a full-blown obsession and it approaches the magnitude of some sort of Holy Grail.
.............I'll consider the source of where that comment came from.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
I consider myself to be a very committed semi-pro and I work extremely hard to produce high quality images...
........Really? Huh,....even with an attitude like that towards the tools of the professional photographer??
and I seriously consider anything that can help me to become a better photographer but I just do not understand how my subscribing to the â€˜big glassâ€™ myth can make me a better photographer.
.........You are kidding me...and everyone else reading this,...because if you were really considered anything,.....why after 20 years do you still resort to knocking the tools of the trade..?
.........Furthermore,....there is no myth about big glass....I own big glass because I need it. You don't because you don't need it for what you are doing with your photography. I'm having trouble understanding where this "myth" comes from.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
I realize that the lenses a photographer uses are at times more important than even their choice of camera but I do not understand nor do I agree with what appears to be the prevailing thinking that a photographer must bankrupt him or herself buying â€˜big glassâ€™ just to be taken seriously as a pro especially when there is little tangible, solid evidence that â€˜big glassâ€™ will produce better images than ordinary, every day â€˜consumer glassâ€™.
Hmmmm......where do you get your info from....your head?
See how they compare
Letâ€™s look at the facts. By the admission of many pros lenses work at their optimum when they are stopped down and in some cases stopped down quite a bit to F8 or F11 and these settings are easily attained by consumer glass.
.........And for what purpose is that for...? What type of photography are they doing..? Products..? Yes,...in the studio when shooting stuff, I am often stopped down to f16..because I need to maintain depth of field through out the mass of the product that I am photographing, unless the client wants intentional blur from a shallow depth of field... Groups such as in family portraits,...you are probably going to be shooting at f8-f11 to maintain depth of field and sharpness of all the people in the image. Much of the time in my studio I am shooting at f6.7 when photographing models..because I want to have the subject to appear very very sharp.. Does this mean that the lenses I use in my studio aren't any better than cheapo consumer lenses..? Nope! They are high performance L and or Prime Canon..(not Tamron, Tokena or Sigma) lenses.
I have heard many pros say that if a photographer is going to work in low light or existing light then they â€˜especiallyâ€™ need the â€˜big glassâ€™ and it becomes even more important and this is a fallacy and a failure of interpretation.
.............Oh sure,....us pros.....we don't know anything, do we,..LOL!! State your example of this!
Here,...I'll state one of my own that I took with a big fat lens... a 300mm f2.8 on a D30 body a few years back....the light was low... I could only get 1/500ths at iso 1600 in this light.. I couldn't raise the iso any higher because 3200 wasn't available on the D30.. I had to use fast glass....and BTW, the optical quality at f2.8 is stunning! You wouldn't know that though, because you'd rather knock it than try it!
Every review I have ever read and every pro I have ever talk with admits that lenses and especially â€˜big glassâ€™ lose a lot of their quality when used wide open..
..........Oh sure,.....just look at the low quality of my 300mm f2.8 L lens wide open! LOL!! Here is the link to the image where it shows the exif data...note the 10D was used, and the 1600 iso,...and the shutter speed,....and take notice of the background.....see, it isn't completely black either like you get with a lot of flash only shots in combination with slow lenses stopped down... You don't take action photos at f8 - f11!
............When you take something out of it's context, and apply your own context, your argument falls apart.. True,...the 50mm f1.4, shot wide open isn't as sharp wide open as it is at f5.6... but do you really believe that your consumer lens is just as sharp and contrasty and apochromatic distortion free, and chromatic abrasion free as the 50mm f1.4 is at f5.6..? LOL!! In your twenty years of photography experience,....have you ever shot in available low light only..? I do all the time in my line of work....and there is a reason why I own fast glass.....there is a reason why I am upgrading my 85mm f1.8 to the 85mm f1.2,...there is a reason why I am looking at the 24mm f1.4,...and the 35mm f1.4...because I need the speed of these lenses...and they happen to be very high performers as well.
If it wasn't for my BIG FAT 400mm f2.8 MkII L lens, I never would have been able to get f5.6 wide open with a 2x telephoto converter = 800mm!
Hand held too!
..which negates the advantage of spending thousands of dollars on â€˜big glassâ€™.
.............You've got to be kidding......don't knock it 'till you've tried it! Again,...if you really were committed to excelence in photographic imagery,...you wouldn't be knocking this stuff.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
I think a much better approach is for photographers, and especially photographers like myself, who work in the modeling industry to use what provides the highest quality and if that means stopping down then so be it. If it means using a flash, so be it as well. If it means using a higher ISO factor then by all means letâ€™s go with it. Letâ€™s use our heads to get the shots and not just our wallets.
.......LMAO!! You are contradicting yourself here....can't you see it..?? Higher ISO = noisier and or grainier looking images...Stopped down can be nice if your background is a seamless paper,...or a muslin ....or a far away landscape,...but stopped down without the option of openining it up also means that the backgrounds of every day things can appear more distracting in your photos..
I have two lenses that I use every day. A Nikkor 80 â€“ 200mm F2.8 and a Nikkor 28 â€“ 80mm f3.5 â€“ 4.5 and I will put my small Nikkor up against anything out there in terms of quality when the lens is stopped down to F8 or F11. My small Nikkor is a â€˜consumerâ€™ lens and my large Nikkor is a so-called â€˜proâ€™ lens and for tight headshots when the light is adequate it is hard to beat but then again I have seen award winning photos taken by a standard 70 â€“ 300mm F4.5 â€“ 5.6 â€˜consumerâ€™ Nikkor and that lens costs a heck of a lot less money that the â€˜big glassâ€™. I would venture to say without fear of being wrong that my small Nikkor at F8 will simply blow the doors off of any big glass out there at F2.8 or F4 or even possibly at f5.6 so what is the justification for spending thousand of dollars needlessly for f-stops that canâ€™t be used just so a person can say they have â€˜proâ€™ glass?
........Have you ever tried to compare your consumer lens to these professinal lenses that you knock? Also,....before you compare lenses,....compare them on a likeness catagory.. Wide angle lenses act differently than do super telephoto lenses do.
If anyone has an explanation or some sort of justification for this myth I would like to hear it because I am really curious as to how simply throwing money at a problem (unless of course you are the Federal Government) will solve anything. Thanks.
.............Why do you keep refering your lack of examples shown when knocking these tools as "myth"..?
Here's a myth for you,.....try taking as good as a shot as this without a 600mm f4.0 L lens!
Let me guess....................by any chance,.....do you feel slightly "inferior" when taking pictures around a photographer who has a big fat lens..? I'll bet that's it...right?
Tell you what,.....go to www.sportsshooter.com
and tell all those idiot pros what you know about their inferior equipment!