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Old 09-14-2005, 04:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have used Photoshop 6 ,7, CS, and now CS2. I got a new LaCie photon 19 vision monitor, I got a new Power Book G-4. my problem remains the same when I save for web. The pictures goes flat Sometimes the contrast is lost by a full stop or more. I use Adobe rgb 1998, and Adobe srgb. JPG set to maximum. My photo's still come out flat. Before I do the save to web thing I can print them on my Epson 2200 they look fine. They look right on my monitors. Save to web.....blah
Some times I over saturate, over contrast then look at save to web they start to look better but I still see a loss. What am I doing wrong?



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When you save an image using Save for the Web it converts it to sRGB and this will look different than Adobe RGB, and other color spaces. If you first convert the photo inside of Photoshop to sRGB, and then use Save for Web, then they will look the same.

The two following images show the difference if you do not first convert to sRGB before doing Save for Web.


Adobe RGB


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Old 09-14-2005, 05:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You have taught me tons! I appreciate that. I have converted to SRGB. That step from when the photo appears looks good the next step reduce to 600 pixels in the new window is where I see the loss. I have spent a ton of money trying to resolve the problem to no avail. I am getting real tired of getting beat up over this. I thought the new monitor, getting CS2 would solve it. But as you can see they still look flat. So I have to be doing something else wrong. The girls love the pictures I print for them, but looking at them on the web just makes me sad, I still have a full head of hair, but I won't for long if I can't figure what I am doing wrong.
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Old 09-14-2005, 05:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Mr. Smith Is correct. For more info, you might beg info from the illustrious Robert Sanders. He saved me from the same frustration that you are going thru.

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Old 09-14-2005, 08:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Upload the first photo you posted at the start of this thread to a known URL (and provide us that URL) but in its original state before you did any processing. That way I and anyone else can download it and see what the problem might be.

It sounds to me like your saying that it looks just fine till you resize it down to 600 pixels. If that is where the problem is beginning, then we need to know the exact steps you're using for the resize.

I've been using Save for Web for years and I have always gotten great results from it, so there must be some setting that is being missed that is doing the damage.

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Old 09-15-2005, 01:44 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I was begining to wonder if you guys caught the fact that I converted the profiles.
I am really hanging it out here. You guys are going to see how much went into post production manipulation. This is the htm to see the raw images. Really, really raw. If you guys want to see them just before I save to web I can add them to the page.

http://www.1charlestonphotography.com/Jamie.htm
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If I follow what you're doing, you are starting out with your color space as Adobe RGB 1998, right? Forget "Save for Web" for a minute and try this: What you have to do (and sizing has nothing to do with this) when you save an image for the web, is do a Mode/Convert to Profile, and make sure the DESTINATION space is sRGB. (The Source space should say Adobe 1998). Do the conversion, save it as a JPG (be careful not to overwrite the original file) and put it on the web somewhere. Actually, you can just open a browser and do File/Open, and select that image, to see the same thing. As I said, re-sizing has nothing to do with it, neither does any other manipulation, JPG setting, file size, etc. The problem is, browsers are NOT color managed - they don't know how to display Adobe 1998. A program like PS/CS knows how to read color in any mode, Internet Explorer and Firefox do not, so you have to give them the lowest common denominator in color space, which is sRGB. Here are a couple samples of images that started out as Adobe 1998, which I mode-converted to sRGB. I think you can see the difference.





By the way, I never got in the habit of using "Save for Web" so I'm not sure if it does the mode change or not, but when I just tried it, I think not, so that would explain why its been no help on your problem.

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Old 09-15-2005, 11:35 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm doing a convert to SRGB as one of my last steps. I think I must have some other setting incorrectly set. It's driving me nuts. My models love the way our printed images look and tell me they don't really care how they look on the web. I do care how the web images look. I have in the past rushed getting things on the web, without doing all the prep done just so they get a look at our stuff. Thats going to stop and will be posted on my web site instead.
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If this helps here are the steps I use. Starting with a psd file, adobe 1998, 16 bit. I have it saved as an action.

1)Duplicate image and close original.
2)Size image to 600 pixels tall.
3)Unsharp mask 150%, radius 0.5, threshold 0.
4)Add my copyright mark
5)Convert to profile sRGB
6)Convert mode to 8 bit
7)Save for web. jpg. Setting quality to obtain file size about 50K. (This also strips exif info).
8)Close duplicate without saving.

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Old 09-15-2005, 03:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Well I looked at both of the photos you posted in their original form. Both have improper exposure and are not in focus. So that may be part of the problem. You're going to have a hard time getting a good post out of photos that are not in focus. What were you trying to focus on, by the way?
I assume you were using flash for these and you needed to have more flash power to get the proper exposure. It looks like you had the compensation set to -1 and it would probably be better at 0 or +?.
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