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Old 06-01-2005, 09:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just recently made my own flouroscent bank (8 tubes). While I am quite pleased with the quality of light, I am not to impressed with the intesity.

Could someone point me to the link that had basic instructions on making your own home made kino setup?

Also for those who have made their own, what are your typical exposures and how close is the light source from the subject?

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Re: poorman kino/flouroscent bank questions
Old 06-01-2005, 10:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Chris,

The instructions are about as simple as could be... build a frame that'll hold four banks of flourescent lights in a square. Leave a little bit of space at each end so that the lights don't overlap. Mount 'em so that the center of the box is at the height of the predominate subject you're going to shoot (i.e. if it's basketball players, the center needs to be upwards of 7'... if you're shooting the average models.. center it up somewhere in the 5'2"-5'10" range.

I usually place the subject about 4-5' away from the array. Any closer and I start to see uneven light on the model. Farther away, and the light begins to drop off.

My exposures run about 1/40th at f3.5 - 4.5 or so at ISO200.

You're right.. this isn't a powerhouse of light. But, the quality is unmatched for anything less than a lotta hundreds of dollars more.

What I always tell folks at the workshop (we're holding many of our monthly workshops at my studio where the light is set up on a permanent set) to put the camera on a tripod and have the model move just a little bit slower than you might see in a fantasy photo shoot. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] You'd be surprised how that helps the images produced with this rig.

Here's Elva... using my poor man's flouro

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Re: poorman kino/flouroscent bank questions
Old 06-01-2005, 11:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info.

Do you have any info specifically on ballasts? I think something is wrong with my setup.


I rigged mine with 8 flourescent tubes and I'm getting exposures at 4.0 1/60th at 200ISO.
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Re: poorman kino/flouroscent bank questions
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wow, that produces a crazy highlight in the eyes. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 06-02-2005, 02:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Keep in mind that unless you buy fairly expensive ballasts, you don't want to shoot faster than 1/60th because this type of lighting is not really continous but is cycling. So when you shoot faster than 1/60th some photos will be properly exposed and others will not. Also it helps to have 5000k bulbs. So as already noted, you need a tripod. If you don't like the alien eyes look, then you need to build the rig to not ring the model as in some of the examples one sees.


The above shot of Lindsey is using a ring version which Rolando uses at his workshops.

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Here's some advice...

Sell them and buy some Alien Bees.. again,...you will thank me for this later on..

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Old 06-02-2005, 09:16 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Couldn't agree more ! Buy the Bees [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Sorry, Chris... no specific info about ballasts, though I can recognize when one burns up! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Sounds as if your exposure is about right compared to mine. Like I said, you're looking for the quality of the light as opposed to the quantity of the light, and the four-square does give out a very nice light.

I've had more than one person come back and definitely wanted to include some time in "the box" - when asked "why?" their answers were uniformly because of the "look" of "the box"'s images.
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Alien Bees are great, but using continuous lighting is a totally different ball game and depending on what you use as the light source presents different challenges from strobe. I think it is wise to master both types of lighting. One of the wonderful things about flouresent lighting is that you have to take more care in your shooting, almost always using a tripod, since for the homemade units you usually have cheap flouresents that cycle slowly. But shooting on a tripod almost automatically makes you take more time and focus more closely and be more aware of in-camera cropping. I like both ways of shooting and think we would all be better off to learn to do good photos with both strobe and/or continous lighting.
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Re: poorman kino/flouroscent bank questions
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Yeah, some folks refer to them as "Alien eyes"

Here's another example... this one of MayLu

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