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Best file characteristics for printing?
Old 05-13-2005, 10:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My wife wants some stuff printed for our naked walls in the house, and so she's picked a few things she wants me to take to the lab. I've never printed a photo that I've done with digital though and I don't know the best way to do it. I really don't want to waste money on prints becuase I saved them wrong...

I use a Nikon D100 and shoot both in RAW and JPEG, and then leave them as a PSD after I processing. The images shot in JPEG are approximately 6x9, or 1800x2700 pixels at 300dpi. The RAW images are approximately 8x12, or 2000x3000 pixels at 240dpi. I'm not sure why there is a dpi difference, I just noticed that...

Should I convert them to TIFF or JPEG for printing? What is the largest that I can blow these up and still expect a high quality print? I'm probably going to do a couple 5x7's and 11x14's, but mostly 8x10's.

Although I think some of them suck now, here's some of what she's wanting to print:




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Re: Best file characteristics for printing?
Old 05-13-2005, 11:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This subject is approaching religion. You'll probably get a lot of different opinions. I've done my photographic display prints either optically in a darkroom or digitally on archival inkjets. I don't have a solid recommendation without knowing more about the output specifics.

These are just tips I've learned.

1) Keep all the pixels. Decide how big you want to print and size the image without resampling. If the result is better than 150dpi you're probably fine. I have printed images at 90dpi but I really prefer 300. The idea is, pick the size and let the dpi fall where it falls as long as it's good enough.

2) Use a color profile the printer will understand, sRGB is safe with most Fuji Frontier type printers or, if you're a stickler you can hunt down a lab with a Frontier and then check Dry Creek and convert to their custom profile that matches the lab's printer and paper choices. Bottom line is to use a color reference that will keep the color correct from the original capture through to the print. Do the same if you print with an inkjet.

3) If you send it out to a lab, do a small proof first and make sure they give you the tech info about how it was printed, including the operator's name. If the proof is good, specify you want it printed the same way by the same operator.

4) If you frame inkjet prints you want them to sit in the open for a day or so to outgas before you put them under glass.

5) You should probably save the files as LOSSLESS JPEG if you send them out. I like TIFs myself but a lot of Frontier labs don't know how to deal with them.

Good luck.

Disclaimer - I shoot and use Adobe RGB, it's my output color profile of choice. sRGB is not as versatile but it is very commonly used and the default for lots of labs... it's just safer.
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Old 05-13-2005, 01:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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300 is considered pro printing.
If you like soft more art like illustrational you can go much lower.
Below is the thumb version of an 8x10 at 180.
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5) You should probably save the files as LOSSLESS JPEG if you send them out. I like TIFs myself but a lot of Frontier labs don't know how to deal with them.

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What software supports lossless JPEG?
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I can help you from the view point of a printer. I woek for a large format digital imaging co. I print on an Oce Lightjet 430. I receive all types of files (psd, ai, tiff, pdf, etc.). I like to recieve tiff's with lzw compression. Not all printers support this compression but the lightjet does. It greatly reduces file size.

I can achieve excellent results at 150 dpi at final output size. In fact, that is the manufacturer's recommended input resoulution.

I'm not familiar with the Frontier and know many labs ask for files at 250 & 300 dpi at final output size.

I would be happy to print a sample for you at 150 and 300 dpi so you can compare, however, we don't normally print anyting smaller than 11 x 14.

I guess what it all boils down to is: "it depends"

Hope this helped helped you a little.

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I've printed at 150dpi up to 8x10, and they look fine. I've heard for publication you want 300dpi. Can you have them print one as a sample for you and see what you like.
Also, I really like your second shot, the tomatoes, it's just really cool and should make a good print.

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Old 05-13-2005, 08:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Most of the main imaging apps, though they don't always label lossless JPEG. PS will save lossless when you set the quality settiing to (12) Maximum; CaptureOne saves lossless when the JPEG quality is set to High.

I was just trying to emphasize that JPEG is useful because of it's commonality but lossy in general so you save lossless to get the best of both worlds. Some image managers will re-compress a JPEG when you rotate them... that always hacks me off. I'm a TIF person myself; the only lab I use knows TIFs so I rarely use JPEG except for web display.

Is that what you were asking about?
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Your lab is the way to go given the choice. I only mention Frontier because they're widely available. LightJets rock with a good operator.

I'm curious, do you guys coat your prints with Bulldog? Face laminate? If you do, we may do some business.
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Actually, according to Adobe's web site even at the highest setting, the JPEG compression isn't lossless. And according to the JPEG FAQ no commercial software implements the JPEG lossless compression (either version). I happened to be looking this up yesterday.

So, given that info, I was wondering if there was some other software that I didn't know about.
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No. I'm wrong then... I guess my innate lack of trust for JPEG isn't so unreasonable after all. It's unfortunate you can't just zip a TIF and take it wherever you want to print.

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