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10D, 20D, 300D, 350D WT*?
Old 02-24-2005, 10:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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OK... so I see Canon is at it again/already.

I bought a 10D less than a year ago and have shot about 4000 frames with it. Since then there have been 3 new models come out and I refuse to make the upgrade and I don't see myself doing it for quite a while. I am happy with my 10D. It does a great job.

I realize it's big business and all about the almighty dollar or maybe about having the latest and greatest and I just can't fall into it. Hell I have a 20 year old motorhome and a '56 Studebaker. If it works and does what I need I keep the sucker.

I see so many people moving from the 10D to the 20D and I have to ask... For your shooting needs has it really made a difference? If you take the same shot with both cameras and do the same post processing on them and then make an 8 X 10 or even an 11 X 14 print is there a difference that you can see with the human eye? Is someone you have been selling to going to all of the sudden demand that you upgrade to a new camera or they will quit buying your work?

Am I the only one that feels this way?

I think I'll stick to my old flathead six for a while.

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Re: 10D, 20D, 300D, 350D WT*?
Old 02-24-2005, 12:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Canon is interesting. In the spring of 2004 they said they were planning on releasing something like 30 or 40 new digital cameras during the year. The 20D, the 350, etc etc. Canon is big on innovating new products and getting them to market. Nikon is exactly the opposite, they've sat on their D1X for several years now and are just bringing out the D2X.

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Re: 10D, 20D, 300D, 350D WT*?
Old 02-24-2005, 12:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's no different than many other industries. The automotive industry has done a pretty good job of improving their product, but at the same time convincing the populace that they need a new car every 2 to 3 years. Last time I had the oil changed in my 2000 model, the guy tells me I need "high milage" oil because I'm over 75,000 miles. Huh? 75,000 is nothing. Gimme a break.

Same with cameras. There are enough shooters that feel they need the latest thing to support the market. At least for a while. The benefit to the rest of us is there will always be a good supply of used equipment available.

On the other hand, the focusing system in my aging D60 is fustrating sometimes. The 300D was too limited, but the 350D looks promising..... May be time to start counting out the pennies!
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Re: 10D, 20D, 300D, 350D WT*?
Old 02-24-2005, 12:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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there will be no noticeable difference in the print sizes you mentioned...but it will be once you get into larger print sizes, where the "extra" 2 or 4 MP come into play. interpolation is exponential.

it's definitely akin to computer technology as far as processor speeds...what's it up to now? 4 GHz? i complain all the time that, "i just bought my computer and now it's obsolete." i don't see digital camera technology stabalizing in the next 4 years...
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Re: 10D, 20D, 300D, 350D WT*?
Old 02-24-2005, 01:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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There are some other benefits of the 20D over the 10D than just the extra 2 megapixels. Some of the more notable ones include additional focus points, a B&W mode right in the camera, faster write speads (they claim 40x over the 10D).

They have also incorporated noise reduction hardware from the 1D line. Canon is claiming the same noise at ISO-1600 in the 20D as ISO-400 in the 10D.

The extra 2mp space, for me anyways, would allow me to use lower focal lengths. This in turn would give me more cropping options.

Oh, and maybe I'm crazy, but I thought another benefit of the higher image resolution is the forgiveness of the camera for being off on your exposure. I don't know whether I dreamed this or read it somewhere.

Now, ask me if I am going to shell out the money to upgrade from my 10D. I doubt it. I'll probably wait for the 30D.

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Re: 10D, 20D, 300D, 350D WT*?
Old 02-24-2005, 02:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't see anyone saying you "have to upgrade", or move onto newer equipment. Would you rather the industry didn't come up with new innovations? Remember this digital stuff is brand new, and the curve for new products is really steep. Stick with it, and in four or five years you'll see a noticeable decline in new features, and functionality. Having said that, I would guess that too many people change gear just for the sake of having the latest, etc..
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Re: 10D, 20D, 300D, 350D WT*?
Old 02-24-2005, 03:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It's called "progress." [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] But just like with computers you upgrade when it's worth it to you. I'm getting by just fine with my D60 and making prints up to 30x40" that blows just about everyone away.

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Old 02-25-2005, 04:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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then upgrading to the 20D from the 10D may make sense. I'm not just talking about the obvious of instant on, 5 frames a second, 25 plus image buffer that clears while writing type of speed the 20D has. I'm also talking about having a very usable 800, 1600 and 3200 ISO and the shutter speeds that can be had. If you have need for speed then the 20D and maybe even the new 350 make some sense.

If it is just about image quality then I would say at 100 to 400 ISO the 10D is pretty equal to the 20D. I don't even think the added 2 mega pixels really adds much more than a little more crop latitude. Of course at higher ISO the 20D pretty much smokes the 10D. I'm talking about a 1600ISO that rarely needs the help of NeatImage or other noise reduction software.

I do a little sports and lots of wildlife photography and not hitting the buffer and not waiting the camera is so nice. I still have my 10D and use it every so often. After using the 20D for awhile I'm amazed at the amount of shutter lag the 10D has. I mean I really notice it.

So again I think it really is about speed and not image quality at this level of body.

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Focal Length 35 mm
Exposure Time 1/50 sec
Aperture f/3.5
ISO Equivalent 1600
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Re: 10D, 20D, 300D, 350D WT*?
Old 02-27-2005, 02:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Ive owed the D30, D60, 10D, and now the 20D. Everytime I upgraded I noticed a difference. Some more than others. I have to say that becauce of tradeing abilty, as soon as the next generation came out, Ive been able to trade up for only a few hundred dollars. Usally the price of an extended warranty. I find that the difference in the 20D is light years apartfrom the orginal D30. The major difference to me from the 20D and the 10D is the newer processor, AF, (big step) CR2 raw image processor.I also love the new software it comes with. There is a difference.If you shoot for a living, Better tools mean ease of use and better product. Got to have the best tools. As far as printing, I would not upgrade for the difference. Most of my work is 8X10 and some 11X14s. The larger pix count make a difference in editing. Thats my two cents worth. tommymc
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