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Old 01-04-2005, 11:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Over the weekend I was looking through some issues of Rangefinder that I haven't had a chance to examine the past few months. In one of the issues the photographer was talking about making 10' flats with muslin fixed to them that they paint to look like walls. I really love the rich looking images he was producing and I would love to give this a try, but I don't really know where to begin.

Has anyone constructed flats with muslin covering to use as walls in photographic sets? How do you affix the muslin to the frame so it actually looks like a wall and not a painted muslin background?

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I have constructed a few
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Being involved in Theatre I have had my share of building flats similar to what you are talking about. I would have to say canvas works better vs muslin and would hold up to multiple times painting them.

If you simply think of a frame with center or diagnol criss cross support you can build a flat. I am not a carpenter and pretty much suck but I have built and painted a few flats in my lifetime. Most of the flats I have built come from 1x3 boards for the basic frame.

You could industrial staple the material used by stretching it or think in terms of how they stretch canvas when mounting a canvas portrait.

You just need to think larger terms....this is my experiences.

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Old 01-04-2005, 11:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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That is a standard practice in Theater...I have not done it since I took StageCraft in college. There should be plenty of resources and tutorials online if you search for StageCraft stuff.

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Old 01-04-2005, 03:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for the information JT. You are always a very helpful source.

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Thanks for the direction Jason. I will do a search.

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When you build the frames the inside supports (cross members) need to be set back 1/4 inch from the frame edge. This will insure that the cross member does not show.
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From my theater days, we built flats by making a 4' x 8' frame out of 1"x3" wood, then took some 1/4" plywood and cut 6" triangles which we naild to the corners to keep everything square. The canvas or muslin was wrapped around the flat and nailed on the back side.

When I ran a video production studio, we made more elaborate "flats" which we used to create the walls of a kitchen, livingroom, etc. For that we nailed drywall (sheetrock or paneling) to a 2x4 frame, then braced the back with "two wings" made of of 2x4. We made some as walls, some with windows, etc. We would bolt these flats together, paint them, shoot our videos, then pull them apart, and re-assemble them as necessary. Some even were built on casters so they could roll into the studio. I'm sure there are books or websites with plans for all types of flats. If not, contact me and I'll send you a diagram.

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While building flats as described by the other posters is fairly easy, there's an even easier way if you live in a large city with a good art supply store.

Use large sheets of foamcore. They'll cost a bit more than wood and muslin, but they take up little space and are extremely easy to use. And you can cut "windows" in them without doing a lot of carpentry. I've seen 4 by 8 foot sheets. You'll need a truck to get them home though...

If you are looking for something a bit cheaper, there's always cardboard. Check the big appliance stores in your area for a possible source of large pieces.

Depending on what you are looking for in terms of a "wall", your local home improvement store may have paneling available that will work. It will be in sheets 4 by 8 feet. I've seen paneling that looked like real brick.

If you want a stone "wall" there are paint kits used for finishing furniture that closely approximate the look of stone. A little styrofoam sculpture and you can even create the look of natural rock outcroppings.







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I have to say, in all my years of pro photography with lots of sets built, I've never seen flats made of canvas or muslin. Having a theatre background myself, and having built more than my share in the method JT describes, I still wouldn't use those. Generally, we use a very thin wooden material which is called "luan" (I don't know how to spell it, its pronounced "loo-ann" of you ask at a lumber yard.) Its basically a 1/4" sheet of lightweight wood. You still attach it to the 1x3 frame JT mentioned, but its just more like a real wall when you paint or texture it. And you don't really need it 10' tall unless you're shooting basketball players. Foamcore would work too, but it gets a curl in it when painted, and would still need to be attached to frame to keep it flat (unless you get 1/2" thick, in which case you might not need a frame).

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Thanks for the information Andy. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

What do you do about the seam between two pieces when you need something 8-10 feet wide for landscape oriented images? I have done drywall work before, but getting those drywall seams to disappear is tougher than retouching in Photoshop sometimes.
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