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Old 12-17-2004, 11:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey All,

Does anyone have an experience with Norman lighting..specifically their/his..lol..hot lights..even better the allure 1,000 series..any posts with these lights would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Norman products
Old 12-18-2004, 11:00 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I purchased some used Norman strobes years ago, the LH4500 series I think.
I still have them. Including a 2400 ws power source. The Norms are great.
I'm about to purchase some new ones.

Color balance is excellent for my color pallet. You cannot go wrong with
Normans. I would strongly recommend them, especially for color critical work.

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Re: Norman products
Old 12-18-2004, 11:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Sorry, I meant to add, I really do not use hot lights unless there is a
specific reason. Unless you are doing motion pictures, video, or needing
some kind of special look, it's not worth the saftey risks.

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Old 12-18-2004, 11:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No experience with the specific lights, but my Norman S2000 strobes have worked flawlessly for over 15 years. When I'm not shooting with the strobes, I've found the modeling lights to be sufficient to produce great images. Additionally, I have a set of four Lowel 1K hot lights (similar to the allure 1,000 watt) which are also over 15 years old. I found that adding a hot light or two to a shoot with my strobes as the primary light gives me the ability to illuminate specific parts of the image.

The shot below was created using only two modeling lights and two 30" softboxes.


This shot was creates using two Lowell 1K hotlights
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Old 12-18-2004, 05:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks Greg!

Glad to know they are good products
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Old 12-18-2004, 05:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Marty,

Great great shots!!, with the modeling lights..how much power total for the two and did you tungston balance or correct in ps...any particulars on the shots would be great. I like the colors of both...

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Old 12-18-2004, 06:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks for the complements. The first shot used two modeling lights -- 250w quartz halogen inside 30" softboxes. I placed one about 24" in front of the model, the other 36" away to my right. Shot was taken with a Nikon D100, 50mm f1.8 lense, 1/60 sec.

The second shot used a similar light placement, but I used two Lowell 1,000 watt hot lights. My key light was bounced into a 48" gold and silver umbrella, the second light was covered with a double frost gel. I hook them up to 600 watt dimmers from Home Depot and dial them up or down until I get the look I want. Shot was taken with a Nikon D100, 24 -120mm lens set at 60mm, f5 at 1/60 sec.

As far as I'm concerned "a light source is a light source." As long as I can control the light -- either by dimmers, reflectors, gels, kitchen sheers, umbrellas, bounce cards, car sun shields, whatever ... I'll get a shot.
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Had them for a long time....
Old 12-18-2004, 06:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I've been using Normans for over (gulp!) 30 years! (I got my first in school). They were originally manufactured here in LA, (Burbank actually) and the big attraction they had was very fast service for walk-in repairs (which I took advantage of many times). The strobe business was fairly new at the time and for many years you could go into almost any commercial studio and see banks of Normans all over the place. As technology enabled units to get smaller and new manufacturers started to come along, Norman kind of sat on their butts and let these upstarts jump ahead with lighter gear and better accessories. Eventually they were acquired by their current owner and moved to Minnesota, and thus lost their "quick repair" edge, but by that time their main tech had opened his own shop in the middle of Hollywood, and brands like Dynalight, Profoto, Balcar and Speedotron had made some major inroads in the local market. Today in fact, you can hardly find any Norman equipment to rent at the pro shops. I have three large packs (2000ws & 4000ws) with heads and accessories, and my ex-studio partner has another five packs and even more heads. We still borrow from each other, and you've never seen a more tired looking set of lights. They still work fine and we can still get Silvino to fix them (I still have my original 30-year old pack). I recently acquired a set of hardly used White-Lightnings for traveling. The Normans do weigh a ton (at least the old ones) and are impractical to fly with.

Anyway, none of this is relevant to your question because you're looking at new stuff I assume. I didn't even know Norman made "hot" lights, so I looked up their catalog online and still don't see any (of course, the modeling lights could be considered "hot" lights, but that's it). Here's the catalog link if you want to check. All I can tell you is I've had a lot of good experiences with mine, and it does look like the new owners have done a lot of new product development in the last few years to keep them competitive. I would buy more in a heartbeat if I needed them (but I don't!).

http://www.photo-control.com/norman/catalog.htm

One thing to remember - aside from the accessories, durability, weight, and power control issues, most strobe systems are similar and its a matter of taste and budget. The "color" of the system is in the flash tube. You can buy them in "clear" or "UV-corrected", which is a tad warmer. Other than that, the color is dependent on your light control accessories - umbrellas, softboxes, reflectors, STUDIO WALL color, and gels. Its not what you have, but how you use the light modifiers and accessories to get the effect you want. If you look at my website, all the studio shots were lit with my Normans, usually a wide variety of such accessories.

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Old 12-18-2004, 08:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks Marty,

your a d-100 shooter like me? Did you wb with tungston or shoot (gulp) auto? I like the looks of the pictures..they are warm without being toooo warm.
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Old 12-18-2004, 08:47 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Hey Andy,

Thanks for the great reply! Here is a link to the tungston light by norman
http://www.photo-control.com/norman/c1000.htm

Let me know your thoughts please...I pose another question..I know part of the answer will be "based on what I am looking to achive", but..generally speaking..I have been debating with myself over strobes or hot lights...your thoughts Please.

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