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20D Black and White..
Old 11-05-2004, 07:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone shoot in Black and White and it that better than shooting in Color and then making it Black and White?
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Re: 20D Black and White..
Old 11-05-2004, 09:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm still in the tinkering with my 20D (using the 10D presently), but I do anticipate shooting often in the B/W mode, especially to make use of the filters that mimic similiar effects on conventional film.

While I do see that shooting in color and then adjusting to B/W in post-processing may yield close to the same result -- there's something about doing it on the front-end that is really exciting to me.

Part of that, I'm sure, is nostaglia since the first half of my shooting career was totally B/W. And maybe it's also the whole "reverse colorization" thing that puts me off. I don't like old movies that have been colorized and to shoot in color and then desaturate to B/W just strikes me as unsettling. Not that it's wrong or anything ... just a distortion of what originally drew me to capture the scene in the first place.

My take on it anyway.

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Old 11-05-2004, 09:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't use the B/W mode of my Canon 20D. The reason is two fold. You can always do a better B/W rendition in Photoshop than in cameras, simply because the processor of your computer coupled with Photoshop's computing power is far greater than what can be built in a small camera chip.
But the main reason is that you'll get home with a perfect photo in B/W that you need to make color and you have very limited options. Imagine: A customer sees your great B/W and says, "Wow, that's great, I'll pay $10,000 for a color version for the cover of my magazine." Ooops, you only shot it in B/W! Too bad!



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But the main reason is that you'll get home with a perfect photo in B/W that you need to make color and you have very limited options. Imagine: A customer sees your great B/W and says, "Wow, that's great, I'll pay $10,000 for a color version for the cover of my magazine." Ooops, you only shot it in B/W! Too bad!

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Yep, I recall Ansel Adams grousing about that time and time again. "Nice Yosemite image, now where's the color one, Ansy?" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Just two different perspectives on it I think.

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Old 11-05-2004, 11:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If you shoot B&W in raw mode, and then go into photoshop, you will find that you still have the color version and if you want the black and white version you just convert the raw file with the canon conversion program that comes with the camera, so in reality you can have both a black and white and also a color. I still find it better to convert in photoshop but its nice to see what it would look like while out in the field.
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Re: 20D Black and White..
Old 11-06-2004, 06:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I personally like to shoot in color with my digital camera and then convert it to black & white in photoshop. That way I have both. I believe that Ansel Adams shot with film, before digital camera's or photoshop came along. I like your photo here which ever way you did it.
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Ok, I primarily shoot black and white. But I use film. What sounds like the best bet when shooting digital, is to shoot it in color and if you want to go to black and white, then use Photoshop to do it just in case you change your mind later you still have the color version.

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Old 11-08-2004, 02:13 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Can you do that with the Photoshop CS RAW Plugin? Someone tell me, my can'er's downstairs and I'm too tired to find out for myself.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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The Photoshop Raw plugin does not recognize the 20D B&W setting and therefor will only show you the color pic. That is why at this time if you shot the pic in B&W on the camera and wish to process the raw file as a B&W you must use the canon program or bring the color pic into photoshop and convert it yourself to B&W. I am sure that Adobe will come out with a raw plug in that recognizes that a pic was shot as B&W in the camera and give you a choice of whether to convert it as B&W or convert it as color.
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