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NTFS question for the PC geeks
Old 09-06-2004, 07:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just got a new computer with WinXp, and noticed the file system is NTFS. (I was about to set some new partitions). Can anyone remind me why I may have previously preferred Fat32 (on my older Win2000 machine)? I can't remember the advantages of NTFS, but I do recall there was a downside. If I do nothing, are my files transferable between the two machins? Does any of this have anything to do with the side of the drives? The new computer has a 160gb HD, of which 3.49gb is already allocated to a Fat32 partition, and another 55mb is partitioned for FAT. Are these for some kind of backup/safety system?

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Re: NTFS question for the PC geeks
Old 09-06-2004, 07:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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NTFS is more efficient file system. Also, you have security on files, folders and such. With FAT32 you have zero security on files. There are also partition size limits on Fat32 that you could easily hit with the newer larger drives. About the only downfall is you cannot just boot with a floppy and get access to the system. Otherwise, you should be using NTFS.


 
 
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Old 09-06-2004, 07:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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FAT has limitations that NTFS addresses. NTFS isn't Unix -- but we won't go there. With XP, you're MUCH safer on NTFS, it's what MicroSquish wants...

As far as transferability of files, etc, you're fine. The format (NTFS/FAT) is at the file system level -- not at the file or application level. When you move a file from one system to the other, it gets re-written in the appropriate format.

Is this an HP? Depending on the manufacturer the extra partition is typically for recovery purposes and formatted in FAT 32. I think that's because if you're using some recovery software, they may not all be NTFS compatible -- but they're all FAT 32 compatible.

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Old 09-06-2004, 07:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Windows 95/98/ME machines can't read NTFS disks. Transferring your files to the new machine is not a problem. Those are probably rescue or boot partitions and are set to FAT-based disk structure because many older rescue schemes rely in part on DOS or on Win95 based technology that can't be used with NTFS.

If you're redoing the machine from scratch and you're not going to re-use the factory boot setup or a "restore" disk, then it's perfectly safe to make the whole thing NTFS partitions. Keep in mind that unless your computer has an Ultra ATA/133 disk controller (which I assume it does) you can't use disk partitions or disks larger than 137GB. FAT will not recognize partitions larger than 4GB and FAT32 has a no-longer-very-large limit as well, although I forget what it is.

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Re: NTFS question for the PC geeks
Old 09-06-2004, 07:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
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FAT32 will allow you to enable your harddrive to 1 big drive, as opposed to many. FAT16 under the latest versions (after windows 98 first edition) would partition your harddrive into many 2mb hardrives, thus making it more difficult to save files.

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Old 09-07-2004, 02:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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My reccomendation is pretty straight forward, it'll take some work though. First, redo you hardrive into all one nice NTFS hard drive, and do the nesecary things for that to save you files and/or what is necessary. Two, either burn all of your files that you want to keep off of your old computer onto a cd, and then drop them onto your new comp, and enjoy. There is another way to do the file transfer without burning cd's, involving cables and things like that. I recommend that if you want to transfer files via wires, get a Macintosh, it's much easier that way than with any windows comp. Anyways, good luck in your endevor.

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Re: oh yeah, that\'s a great idea
Old 09-07-2004, 06:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm sure you're pulling my leg, right? You're suggesting that selling my PCs, buying all new MACs, converting all my files, getting all new apps, etc is an easier solution than copying files from one PC to another via a cable, or network? Pretty funny! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Re: NTFS question for the PC geeks
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As it turns out, the new drive is an ATA/100. If I use it on the new computer (a Dell BTW), which likely is ATA/133, will I be able to see it in order to partition it? Also, will I lose any speed benefits from doing this? The drive is a Seagate 200gb @ 7200 RPM with 8mb cache. At a price of $60 (new - with rebate) it was too good to pass up.

I could also use it on the old computer (also a Dell) which being 3 years old, may be an ATA/100, again, will I be able to access the full drive in order to partition it? (I'll probably upgrade my Partition Magic to do this).

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Re: NTFS question for the PC geeks
Old 09-07-2004, 06:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The computers are both Dell. My older one has Norton Utilities with GoBack on it, but I understand XP has that built-in. If the new (which has XP Pro) does have something like GoBack built-in, and if I put XP Pro on the old computer (actually on a new drive to be installed in the old computer) would that installation automatically create a FAT32 partition for backup purposes, along with the rest of the drive being NTFS? Or perhaps the small FAT32 partition was put there just to allow alternate OS being installed?

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You can always use a lower drive with a higher card: what you can't do is use a higher drive with a lower card *if* the size exceeds the card's limit. So, to answer your questions:

1) Yes.

2) No. The slowest thing in the chain determines speed. In this case your drive is the slowest thing in the chain.

3) That is a pretty *darn* good price. That wasn't exactly a question, I just wanted to agree.

4) Probably. I believe that XP Service Pack 1 and higher has a workaround for the 137GB limit. If you don't have at least XP SP1 on the machine, then no, you won't be able to, unless you put an ATA/133 card in it. They're pretty cheap.

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