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Old 08-30-2004, 11:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all you Digital Rebel guys...
I have a question about how you frame images when you shoot. The aspect ratio of the images is 4x6, and most of the time I print 8x10 images. Therefore I do a lot of cropping. I often find myself pulling back when shooting to allow room for me to crop the image later...especially when trying to get a full length shot.

It sucks when i have a great shot, but when I want to print an 8x10, I am forced to change the cropping and sometimes compromise the composition. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

What do you guys do?
Maybe I should start getting larger prints and not worry about it?
Maybe there is a trick, or just something silly that I haven't thought of?

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Re: 300D Framing Question
Old 08-31-2004, 06:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm still shooting with a d-60 but have the same problem as you. I've mostly gone to offering 8x12 prints instead of 8x10. But nobody says you have to print full bleed on an 8x10 sheet. Print the entire image, but leave some borders.
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Re: 300D Framing Question
Old 08-31-2004, 06:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I leave borders on my 8x10 prints.
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Re: 300D Framing Question
Old 08-31-2004, 08:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I get the shot.

That is, I frame it according to my interpretation of the scene. If I need a print at a given aspect ratio, I crop if I can, otherwise I leave borders and do the best I can.

Unless you have a specific target and it *has to be perfect,* in my opinion you should *always* get the shot to the best of your ability and with the best artistic composition, and worry about aspect ratios later.

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Re: 300D Framing Question
Old 08-31-2004, 11:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hi Jason,
I used to pull back too, allowing for an 8x10 crop.
My HP printer by default, leaves 3/4 of an inch bottom margin, so I have been cropping 7x9.5 and leaving a 3/4 inch border all the way around, on 8.5x11 paper, this way I only lose an inch of the frame. These letter size sheets fit nicely in a presentation folder that I can give to the model.
I haven't found any 8.5x14 photo paper locally, but have seen some on the net, I may get some and try 8x12
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It\'s the ratio
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Jason

Any 35mm-based camera is going to have a 2:3 ratio. It's the nature of the beast. However, what's the requirement to print borderless? That's a mini-lab invention that hasn't helped photography. Frame the image the way that you think it needs to be shot. Print what's important in the image. If you're printing for a model that wants 9x12's -- that's a different crop from 8x10's. If this is for your book -- try 11x14 or 11x17. Makes a much nicer book.

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Old 08-31-2004, 11:26 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Jason,

If want your prints to fit 4x6 and a 8x10, the simple answer is to leave plenty of room to crop. Otherwise, learn to love 8x12 prints.

In addition to shooting with 35 mm equipment, I also shoot with several medium format systems. One takes 6x6 images and the other 6x7. The 6x7 cm negs and transparancies enlarge nicely to 8x10 without cropping but when I shoot 6x6 I start thinking square format for my prints - 5x5 inch or 11 x 11 inch.

I'm a little hard headed, so my personal preferance is not to crop. I like my images the way I visualize them in the camera and want every film grain or digital pixel to count. I'd rather print my 8x8, 8x10, and 8x12 with borders on larger paper (or mat them after the fact) to make them fit nice in my portfolio.

Basically, if you like the image as is, don't crop (go for 8x12 inch prints) and if cropping improves the composition hack away. Just don't cry about all those lost pixels and film grains...

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This is always been a problem for me!
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I had settled this problem "I thought" until you brought it up again. Everybody wants an 8x10 which is the same aspect ratio as a 4x5, nobody wants a 4x5 they all want a 4x6 (differant aspect ratio). A 5x7 & 11x14 is another story
altogether. I was driven crazy by this for years. Now I shoot what looks good in the viewfinder and worry about cropping later, except for large groups which I shoot varity and content to give them whatever the people that I am shooting for need in sizeing. I have also made photos that are 8x20, 5.5x14, 6.6x10, 5x10, 7x11 & 7x10.5. I also have a custom frame shop so the more nonstandard the image is the better chance of making a frame sale there is. Bring on those weird sizes, yeah.
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Old 08-31-2004, 03:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I agree with Bob whole heartedly. Shoot what looks good. Worry about cropping later. Myself, I still shoot film, so I don't have that option of just changing my ratio when I feel like it. When I have the luxuary of being able to print my own work by hand, I run into cropping issues on every image. I don't have the luxary of not having borders. I have gotten to the point where I just do what Bob said, shoot for what looks good, worry about the post production (film or digital) for after the post. If you can't, well I then suggest leaving a little bit extra in your frame so that you can then have some breathing room to crop.

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Old 08-31-2004, 03:37 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks guys...all good opinions. I am going to try leaving borders on my images and see how I like it. Maybe I should look into one of plugins that produce "Sloppy borders" and some other looks. I usually hate fancy borders, but some film-ish ones might be a nice touch.

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