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Heather more traditional...?
Old 05-27-2004, 02:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Heather and I had a lot of fun with this shoot...As I indicated before, she's getting much more comfortable in front of the camera, and was throwing some good looks.

I thought this shot was "just ok" until I showed the set to a friend and mentor...I thought I was going to have to chase him down to get my iBook back...

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Re: Heather more traditional...?
Old 05-27-2004, 06:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm sorry for saying this, but the way Heather is posed in this one, her face and head look like a man's all dolled up. JMO.
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Old 05-27-2004, 09:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree that this looks a little like a man, sorry. Also, I've heard from several stylists and other photographers that a model's ribs should not show in a photograph. But I really dig seeing some ribs. Anyone have opinions - show ribs or no ribs?

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Old 05-27-2004, 09:48 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I would agree with you to a point. I dont mind seeing the ribs in a subtle way. I think in the image you posted it is great, but the image of Heather that was originally posted I dont like it. I think it is too extreme. It looks like she is really sucking in her stomach and seems un-natural to me. But then again, that is just the opinion of one person so take it for what it is worth.
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Re: Heather more traditional...?
Old 05-28-2004, 04:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Well thank you all for the constructive criticism of the shot...I've learned so much from your comments.

A) Don't shoot models that look different, especially those that have angular faces

B) Don't shoot models that go to the gym to WORK, not socialize




Wonder what you all say when I shoot with Jill in a couple of months...

By the way, Jill is a 47 year old mother of six...

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Re: Heather more traditional...?
Old 05-28-2004, 07:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Well thank you all for the constructive criticism of the shot...I've learned so much from your comments.

A) Don't shoot models that look different, especially those that have angular faces

B) Don't shoot models that go to the gym to WORK, not socialize

Wonder what you all say when I shoot with Jill in a couple of months...

By the way, Jill is a 47 year old mother of six...



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My, you are touchy for someone who thought the shot was just "ok." Here's some constructive criticism. The angle of the shot is ackward; it forces her head into too small a portion of the frame which ruins the lines of the rest of the image. Hard angles and then smooth flowing lines and curves?? Was that your goal? Fine if it was. BTW your image of the body builder is a nice snapshot. In my original post, I simply gave my opinion for which you asked. My opinion of that image doesn't go to the other images you've posted of her. I have no problem with her ribs. I have no problem with muscles or whatever. I merely gave my opinion of that particular image. Apparently, you're not interested in any opinion with which you disagree. Now I know.
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Re: Heather more traditional...?
Old 05-28-2004, 09:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Your last post is EXACTLY what I was looking for...What's wrong with the image, not what you like or dislike about the model.

The first responses were, to me, more along the lines of "you shot a cinder brick, you should have shot a fire brick."

I still think the image is "just ok...", it's not spectacular by any stretch.

I'm here to learn, and comments like "she looks like a man" do nothing to help me shoot a better image (and if it DOES, then I clearly missed that, and I'm all ears for the explanation).

I understand that everyone has their opinions, and I dont' fault anyone for sharing them, God knows I'm not shy about sharing mine. But at least say something in a critique other than "I don't like the way she looks" unless you can explain why *I* made her look that way, so that I don't do it again.

Thanks for giving me the *type* of info that I'm looking for!

I"m out the door to shoot...Hopefully I'll turn out fewer polished turds...
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Re: Heather more traditional...?
Old 05-29-2004, 09:48 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hey Jon like the new avatar. I think what bothers me in the pose is that she is definitely tight. The ribs are not as big a deal to me but the tightness in her neck makes here look like she is straining to look at the viewer. To me on her back poses should show total relaxation and sultry but hey that's me. Hope you have a good shoot today.


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Re: Heather more traditional...?
Old 05-29-2004, 09:56 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Seems like you've got a lot of "firsts" going on at the same time. New camera, new model and new genre' of photography. Good luck.

About the image. It's tough to get a good image where the model is on her back, her head is in the far right portion of the image and on a downward angle. Following the *rule of thirds* if her head would have been more to the left the flat portion of her stomach wouldn't have contrasted with her rib cage since it wouldn't have been in the picture. I also think that if the lock of hair were in it's proper place that it would have helped to soften the angularity of her face.

A few of the comments made by other posters were inappropriate to a critique, but the hard truth is, it's tough photographing female bodybuilders whose masculine facial features are dominate. Study her face again and select the more feminine side and then play to that side when shooting glamour. Your make up artist should be able to help soften her angles too for a more glamourous look.

The picture below is of Alicia, (the torso below that is also hers), a long distance runner who works out but not for bodybuilding competition. With small amounts of body fat to soften the angles, body builders and runners have facial features that are more sharp and defined and is harder to make them look soft.

I look forward to seeing the images you come up with this summer.

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Old 05-31-2004, 02:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Hi Mike, Thanks on the avatar...Done on a lark.

Thank you also for your notes...I'll take that info heavily into consideration along with the rest as I go through the rest of that set.

And yes, I had a GREAT shoot today (um, yesterday)... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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