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Old 01-24-2009, 09:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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These are from a shoot I did today with Corinne. Comments are welcome and appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Four From Today
Old 01-24-2009, 09:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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These are nice Dave, I only have a couple of issues, one a hair light would have helped a ton with her dark hair against a dark background, two, a lil powder on the face to knock down the highlights on her cheeks,nose,chin and forehead.
any way just a couple of tips from the nose bleed section..

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Old 01-25-2009, 04:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pretty girl, but the lack of make up really effects the images. You could by a $5 compact at the drugstore and knock down the shine on her face. Keep it in your camera bag and use it when ever they don't have their own.

My EIXF reader doesn't work with Firefox III, so I can't tell for sure, but these images look underexposed. Since you have main and fill, there is no reason for that to happen.

While a lot of detail loss in the hair is due to no "hair light" there is very little detail on the front of her hair, which is why I think they are under exposed.

Shoot her again and if you fix those things and she works on her posture, you will have much stronger images.
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Old 01-25-2009, 04:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Pretty girl, but the lack of make up really effects the images. You could by a $5 compact at the drugstore and knock down the shine on her face. Keep it in your camera bag and use it when ever they don't have their own.

My EIXF reader doesn't work with Firefox III, so I can't tell for sure, but these images look underexposed. Since you have main and fill, there is no reason for that to happen.

While a lot of detail loss in the hair is due to no "hair light" there is very little detail on the front of her hair, which is why I think they are under exposed.

Shoot her again and if you fix those things and she works on her posture, you will have much stronger images.
Thanks KG, when I did corporate events and photographed for the U.S. Navy I always kept a box of tissues handy for later in the evening. The people I photographed first never had any problems with 'shine' but as the evening wore it became an issue.

As far as a lack of makeup that is partly my issue. I advise models that I work with to not put on additional makeup. I try to photograph models looking as natural as possible. Still camera is not video so I don't generally think extra make up to be necessary but i will keep this in mind for future shoots.

As for the images looking underexposed that is a continuing and ongoing frustration of mine with my digital cameras. I have a calibrated, accurate light/flash meter that I trust with my life and I set up the studio lighting (two Alien Bee 800's shooting into 36" softboxes) to give me F8.0 at 125 sec and when I checked the in camera Histogram it indicated underexposed but I have had so much trouble with digital cameras and in camera histograms that I just ignore it and go with what looks right to me.

This is why I still have my film camera (Canon EOS 1-N) and on several occassions I have thought seriously about chucking my digital cameras for portrait work and only using my film camera and I almost did it yesterday but I didn't have enough film to do the shoot. Digital cameras are only good for sports where you have to fire off 100 shots to get 1 good one and nobody cares about quality because it's sports and it's supposed to be that way.

In the future when I absolutely have to use my digital cameras for portrait work I may add half a stop as a safety factor.

You wouldn't have been able to see the EXIF data because I use the PhotoShop Save For Web function which removes the EXIF data.

Thanks for your comments, they are appreciated.
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Yeah, you need a hairlight/backlight on these.

Set one of those softboxes as a sidelight at least, so you get some depth out of her, that way she won't look like a cardboard cutout.

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Thanks KG, when I did corporate events and photographed for the U.S. Navy I always kept a box of tissues handy for later in the evening. The people I photographed first never had any problems with 'shine' but as the evening wore it became an issue.

As far as a lack of makeup that is partly my issue. I advise models that I work with to not put on additional makeup. I try to photograph models looking as natural as possible. Still camera is not video so I don't generally think extra make up to be necessary but i will keep this in mind for future shoots.

As for the images looking underexposed that is a continuing and ongoing frustration of mine with my digital cameras. I have a calibrated, accurate light/flash meter that I trust with my life and I set up the studio lighting (two Alien Bee 800's shooting into 36" softboxes) to give me F8.0 at 125 sec and when I checked the in camera Histogram it indicated underexposed but I have had so much trouble with digital cameras and in camera histograms that I just ignore it and go with what looks right to me.

This is why I still have my film camera (Canon EOS 1-N) and on several occassions I have thought seriously about chucking my digital cameras for portrait work and only using my film camera and I almost did it yesterday but I didn't have enough film to do the shoot. Digital cameras are only good for sports where you have to fire off 100 shots to get 1 good one and nobody cares about quality because it's sports and it's supposed to be that way.

In the future when I absolutely have to use my digital cameras for portrait work I may add half a stop as a safety factor.

You wouldn't have been able to see the EXIF data because I use the PhotoShop Save For Web function which removes the EXIF data.

Thanks for your comments, they are appreciated.
Dave,

I can relate with your frustration with the digital camera and using a light meter. I could have written the same thing you did. One thing I think is happening (I haven't "proved" it yet) is that the area the camera meters is a very small as compared to what the light meter is measuring. I have noticed that in low light situations, I can get my camera results and light meter matching up, but I have to be very careful where I am measuring the flash.

It is probably just me. Anyway, I too have just gone with what looks right on many occasions...but I definitely won't go back to film.
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As for the images looking underexposed that is a continuing and ongoing frustration of mine with my digital cameras. I have a calibrated, accurate light/flash meter that I trust with my life and I set up the studio lighting (two Alien Bee 800's shooting into 36" softboxes) to give me F8.0 at 125 sec and when I checked the in camera Histogram it indicated underexposed but I have had so much trouble with digital cameras and in camera histograms that I just ignore it and go with what looks right to me.
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This is why I still have my film camera (Canon EOS 1-N) and on several occassions I have thought seriously about chucking my digital cameras for portrait work and only using my film camera and I almost did it yesterday but I didn't have enough film to do the shoot. Digital cameras are only good for sports where you have to fire off 100 shots to get 1 good one and nobody cares about quality because it's sports and it's supposed to be that way.
When I switched to digital, I didn't change my light output or positions very much, and didn't see a great difference in what I was shooting with film. As I became more familiar with digital, I began to experiment with different lighting ratios and moved my lights around to see what else I was capable of doing.

One of the greatest benefits of digital is it does allow me to experiment without much fear of not getting something. Whereas with film, I sort of stayed in the little comfort zone of familiar lighting ratios and styles.

I never meter anything. I just set the lights, take the shot, and look at it after downloading. If it looks right, I go with it. I still use an old method of "stringing" my lights, so I can set them back in the same position for various lighting styles.

Of course I am talking about doing this on a "test" subject, and then I am ready to go for regular posrtrait sessions.
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