Originally Posted by isaiahbrink
Yeah, I too think that you should get as much right in camera and less post production in Photoshop. It's a great tool to have, but I rely on my main tool, my camera. I think the main difference between a so called photoshopper and a photographer is that a photoshopper dose heavy manipulation in photoshop and what happens in camera isn't as important.
I don't think that any "good" photographer thinks that "what happens in the camera isn't as important" as the photoshop. At least, I haven't met such a photographer. I believe, and I believe that virtually all good photographer believe, that we should get the best results we can, right in the camera. But I also believe, like Ansel Adams, that the ultimate vision of a scene is what is really important to our art form. Unless we are strictly journalist, we are looking for an expression of a scene that may only exist in our minds. We then use any means to reach that goal. If we fail to use the camera to its fullest ability, then we may not be able to reach that goal. If we fail in the darkroom work (or Photoshop for this age), then again we fail.
That being said, there is a difference between shooting in a studio and shooting outdoors in "natural" light. I submit that unless we are willing to bring to bear thousands of dollars worth of equipment, that we often just do not have enough control to get it totally right in the camera. Then Photoshop becomes even more important. Virtually all good landscape shots seem to fall into this latter category. There is no way to totally get it right in the camera because we can't control the lighting to match our vision. Ansel Adams is the proof of that pudding.
Now, I'll agree that there are "poorer" photographers who rarely get it right in the camera even at the basic level. They'll have bad exposure, and or bad in camera cropping, lack of focus, etc. They may be able to make something that is still reasonable using Photoshop --- but it will often fall short of the potential that was there.
The other part of the equation beyond trying to get it right in the camera is trying to get it right in Photoshop. If our Photoshop (or darkroom) skills are inadequate, then we may also fail. We often see such bad Photoshop work that it calls attention to itself and turns some people off. I think both factors have to be well done before we start reaching the art form that photography can really be when everything comes together.
So its like a puzzle where all the pieces have to come together.