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Dman65 09-28-2005 12:02 PM

Please critique and please do NOT be gentle.
 
Hello Everyone,

I am posting an image here to be critiqued, but what I am really wanting to find out is what I am missing. My images just do not have the "pop" or the "wow" factor that I eventually want.

Over the past 4 years I have worked with about seven models and have had about 9 total shoots. This image was from my most recent shoot. I feel like I am missing something somewhere, but I just don't know what it is.

Shoot I hire a stylist when I go to do a shoot? A make-up artist?

The model I shot these with loves them and is very excited to come back in and shoot again.

If anyone can see from my work if there is some particular element I am missing I would really appreciate you shairng it with me.

Please don't be afraid of hurting my feelings. If I was afraid of that I would pay someone to look at them and say nice things [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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BarryTreleaven 09-28-2005 01:14 PM

Re: Please critique and please do NOT be gentle.
 
The only thing that would give the above image a (kick ) is a reflector to the right hand side as a fill more or less,the shot looks good to me but I am no JIMMYD.
will not be able to read further on this post 3.41 am over here leave in 1hr for holidays ( a cruise to Vanuatu)
regards
Barry Treleaven
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]www.southlandimages.net

Fantasiesimage 09-28-2005 02:21 PM

Re: Please critique and please do NOT be gentle.
 
Good Lord Daryl.....it would be easier if you would post a crappy image and ask this question....only thing I might suggest is maybe a rimlight along her leg and hip area,,I read something about polishing a turd once....but how much can you polish a gold bar???....
I agree with your model..awesome shot!!! sorry Im not much help..


Don.


http://www.fantasiesimage.com/blackfashion.jpg

rdavis 09-28-2005 03:32 PM

Re: Please critique and please do NOT be gentle.
 
One thing that popped out at me was the arm/breast intersection. Her right arm is pressing down on her breast, which makes both them look strange. The arm gets flattened and widened and the breast looks pushed down. Arm on the other side is squeezed against the body to. As a general rule you want to keep a model's arms from pressing against her body.

The hair across her faces seems a little much to me. Eyes are a little indistinct.

I like the colors, especially the background. I like the curve of her hip. Hope that helps.

http://photo.reactuate.com/portfolio...iWarehouse.jpg

cclesue 09-28-2005 04:15 PM

I\'ll leave the lighting problems. . .
 
to others.
Pose is awkward and strained. Weight on left arm develops unsightly tricep bulge. Face looks like she's in pain.
Composition: Difficult to say. I'd have extended the left arm to her left to offering a better line to the face and lessen some of the bulge mentioned before. The crossing of the right arm blocks the natural lead in lines to the face. Relaxing the right shoulder and either extending the arm along the top of the body or touching the floor close to her body (but not deforming the breasts) from right to left would have alleviated the problem. The strain of the neck and facial expression needs work.
http://modelmayhem.com/pics/20050724...3dff7aac8b.jpg
Tellin' it like it wuz. . . sorta.
E-Painting from my original Image

GKruts 09-28-2005 04:18 PM

Re: Please critique and please do NOT be gentle.
 
I agree with Don, rim lighting would really pop her from the background. I'd also suggest a tad more light at the lower right, from her shoulder down to her elbow. Part of the problem in that area is the black dress fading into the black sheet. As for the pose, I prefer the model to have her head turned slightly away from the camera, and a slight drop in the chin.

Nonetheless, I think this is a very, very good image, and a very attractive model.

http://users.adelphia.net/~gkruts/im...e-shirt01a.jpg

Cheers!
Glenn K.

thomasfallon 09-28-2005 04:54 PM

Re: Please critique and please do NOT be gentle.
 
You have flat light. Not much impact in that. The kicker light is a good suggestion. I'd increase the ratio. Also, moving your main closer would give more energy in the light.



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n5wd 09-28-2005 06:26 PM

Re: Please critique and please do NOT be gentle.
 
Darryl,

Others have commented on the technical portions of the image you posted. But, you also asked:
[ QUOTE ]
Shoot I hire a stylist when I go to do a shoot? A make-up artist?

[/ QUOTE ]

If you can find a MUA to work with, then definitely get them involved, whether it's a straight hire, a trade-out, or just a favor to a friend.

Models are just like anyone else... they like to believe they are competent in what they do, including makeup. But, when I've asked models to apply a different makeup face than their normal face, I've had less than great results.

I'll give you a good example since I'm sure she won't mind... Kaylee is a beautiful young lady that I've had the fortune to work with several times. She's competent in applying her own makeup that suits her vision of what makes her look good (a very understated look.. minimalist, I think you could call it.). Here's an example:

http://webpages.charter.net/n5wd/Images/Amy24.jpg

When I ask her to make modifications to her makeup (more blush... more contouring of the cheeks... less of this/more of that) she tries to achieve the look I've got in my head, but doesn't feel comfortable straying too far from what she is used to.

Last time we shot together, we had a MUA working with her to try some different ideas.. and this is an example of what we got:

http://webpages.charter.net/n5wd/Images/Amy42.jpg

which, I think it's safe to say, is a notch up from where we were with the first shot. Yes, the first shot shows a lovely young lady... but the second shot shows a much different and, I think, more sophisticated young lady.

The MUA was an active participant in the shoot.. and she was the one that come up with the flower. That extra pair of knowledgeable eye was definitely well used this shoot.

I don't ever want to shoot without a MUA again. That doesn't mean that I won't.. but I don't WANT to! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

So yes, invest the time, effort, and money (if required) to get a MUA or two involved with your images. I'll bet you won't be sorry.

Hope this helps you think it out a bit....


glennusdin 09-28-2005 09:00 PM

well i\'ll be the class dick then
 
i kinda agree with everything else everyone wrote, but I think there is one glaring thing wrong with the image that is making all of the other little stuff seem like a big deal.

This model, who is probably the sweetest, nicest, most charming lady in the world, is not giving you enough expression as a model. Her body, skin and hair look awesome, she must have the cutest look in person, but as yu have seen, not every pretty girl can look great on camera, and some very pretty ladies look horrible when captured on camera.

The model is not giving you her best stuff. Work with her if she is as excited as you say, and get some of the sexy excitement into your images. Get her to buy into it, because she is flat right now, with very little emotion.

Bottom line, with a great model, all the other technical crap doesn't even matter, and with a perfect image with a non-performing model, nothing will make it happen. So start with the basics and get the model on YOUR page before you worry about the technical stuff.


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Dman65 09-29-2005 06:24 AM

Re: Please critique and please do NOT be gentle.
 
Thanks Thomas. I will keep that in mind for the next shoot.


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