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Rembrandt ?
Old 05-10-2005, 11:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm trying to learn the rembrandt lighting. Please let me know what you think. Set up was main light to camera left - 45 degrees to subject, fill light pretty much center, just to camera left - set minus 2 stops lower than main,(higher power seemed to wash out the shadow completely) hair light to camera right, behind at a 4 degree angle. Hoping that I've got about the right set-up. Does the shadow look right? Havent done this type of lighting before so I'm not real sure how pronounced the shadow should be or if it should extend further up towards the eye. Btw, camera seting was 1/125 @ f6.3.

And since I seem to get beat up for centering, I tried to keep it a bit more to one side [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]



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Re: Rembrandt ?
Old 05-11-2005, 01:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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hey dean. well, you still managed to wash out the shadow. and if you're going for rembrandt's chiaroscuro look, the shadow should be more pronounced.

the contrast of this image is flat--it's also not very sharp--so making some adjustments with levels or curves would help, and maybe a touch of unsharp mask. you might also try keeping your mainlight where it is, but moving your fill light to the right of the camera and keeping the power output low so its just providing a bit of fill. (i can see both sources in the catchlights.) btw, you might manage the same result with some foamcore reflecting the mainlight back for fill. and yeah, try to keep the shadow more up towards the eye... this will also give you more shadow under the jaw line and on the neck.that hairlight could go higher and maybe further back and a little more focused.
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Old 05-11-2005, 01:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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when you position yourself to shoot, try shooting from the darkside. that is, don't shoot under your mainlight or right next to it. i think you'll like the results.
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Old 05-11-2005, 08:48 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Thank you for the comments Jim, appreciate it. Havent done this type of lighting before so I can use all the pointers I can get. Will also try some adjustments in PS on this shot. Will try using a snoot on the hair light next time as well and moving the fill light to the other side. Didnt have anything modifying the hair light last time.

Also going to try moving the camera around instead of "supergluing" it to the center of the room.

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p.s. Mind if I pm you, have some questions on the flatness/contrast issues I keep having.
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Old 05-11-2005, 10:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Reworked for you just to show what can be done. Adjusted contrast, curves and Saturation a bit. Didn't spend a lot of time a min. or so. More could be done if you wanted to spend the time.

Original reworked image
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Re: Rembrandt ?
Old 05-11-2005, 10:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Still too much fill. Shadow is washed out.
You say fill is 2 stops less {or 4:1} but it looks less than that.
I suggest 8:1 or more and only 1 highlight in eye.
Rembrandt often used window as main and he ha no fill flash or meters.
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Old 05-11-2005, 10:48 AM   #7 (permalink)
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no problem. I'm sure i can confuse you as well as the next guy can. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Re: Rembrandt ?
Old 05-11-2005, 06:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Any chance you could give me a rough outline of how you made those changes, havent had PS very long and still learning how to adjust images.

I like what you did, and looking at the 2, I can see what my image was lacking very clearly now.... shows how much I still have to learn [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Re: Rembrandt ?
Old 05-11-2005, 06:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Ive been getting away from using Fill myself.....I like the shadows produced without it...gives me an extra light to use for a hairlight or a rimlight, if I need fill.....I think I'll go with foamcore..reflected fill. Also another Tip Feather your Main...dont point it right at her.....in this series I feathered the soft box by angling it across her the center of the soft box shot off the wall...I wanted the softer edge light from the softbox. so basically on my model..the lighting was one light source..no fill.
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Sent you an PM and explained it there
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