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Old 03-03-2010, 04:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A friend of mine (Professional Photographer) is a wedding and Fine Art Photographer. His Fine Art photogarphs are strictly Black & White prints shot on FILM only. According to my friend, if a photo is not done with Black & White Film and processed by yourself in your own Darkroom then IT IS NOT PHOTOGRAPHY. Anyone who shoots with Digital is not a Photographer but just a Image Capturer....He does use color digital for his weddings but not for the Fine Art. Any Opinions???????

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Old 03-03-2010, 05:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Is that similar to the guys that shot 8x10 that thought the 4x5 cameras were toys or the 4x5 guys that thought medium format was a joke or the medium format guys that thought that 35mm would never catch on?
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Then that is a real shame, it won't be long until photographers have gone the way of the dinosaur. Leaving us "image Capturers" to take all the pictures.... I mean captures of all the pretty girls!
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Tell him to crawl out behind the rock. While there are "purest" unless he's shooting daguerreotype or with a camera obscura, he's wrong Does he drive a horse drawn chariot to work? I think you should buy him a bouquet of roses so he can stop to smell them as the chemicals in the darkroom, which I started in and understand clearly, are affecting his brain. Thanks, all the best, rg sends!
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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...unless he's shooting daguerreotype or with a camera obscura, he's wrong
Well said...good response.

I've heard this argument countless times ...and then the photog in question starts raving about their new DSLR...after a while.

[personally experienced from a (then)film only photographer who claimed I only wanted to do 'snapshots' with a digital camera. She's singing a different tune now. Ha!]
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I once had a "photographer" tell me that digital photography would never catch on because it was impossible for a digital camera to capture a straight line (huh). He knew this because he worked on a project researching digital capture.

While he was telling me this, he was trying to shoot a group photo of over 50 people with a small, point-and-shoot digital camera.
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A friend of mine (Professional Photographer) is a wedding and Fine Art Photographer. His Fine Art photogarphs are strictly Black & White prints shot on FILM only. According to my friend, if a photo is not done with Black & White Film and processed by yourself in your own Darkroom then IT IS NOT PHOTOGRAPHY. Anyone who shoots with Digital is not a Photographer but just a Image Capturer....He does use color digital for his weddings but not for the Fine Art. Any Opinions???????

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He is contradicting himself. If he says digital is not photography, then how could he claim to be a photographer while shooting a wedding?

OH, I see, he only captures images at a wedding and does not photograph it? Sounds like a great selling tool. Your friend can just tell his wedding customers the images he makes at their wedding is not really photography. See how many weddings he will shoot.
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I know a guy who once said, at many of his lectures, that digital was no good; never would be, and he only used his digital to "preview" what the lighting and exposure was. That should have been proof he didn't know what he was talking about.

However, now that everyone he "teaches" has a digital camera, he has proclaimed himself as an "expert" in digital photography. That was all in a time span of 3 years... and.... he is sponsored by one of the digital camera manufacturers.

....edit.. I just had a thought. Is the reason he is shooting digital at weddings is because he is not really a "good" wedding photographer? If he was, he would shoot it on film, process the film, and print all his prints.

One of my mentors actually did that, until the day he died. That was just before digital was being used by pros.
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the chemicals in the darkroom, which I started in and understand clearly, are affecting his brain.!


Darkrooms give you bad breath, too.

I will admit, however, that I have a hard time taking a "photographer" serious when he knows nothing about a darkroom.

I think every beginner should be forced to spent 6 months with a 50mm fixed lens on a manual camera, and use only B&W film in a darkroom. You learn photo that way, instead of playing with zooms and Photoshop and other toys.

Many colleges still teach this, thankfully.
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I think every beginner should be forced to spent 6 months with a 50mm fixed lens on a manual camera, and use only B&W film in a darkroom. .
I hope they have a sturdy tripod too! Sorry couldn't resist. I understand what you mean and agree that the best way to learn is on manual. But I think you get much faster feedback with digital. I spent many hours in the darkroom but I think the darkroom days are over.
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I've known guys like that. I usually ask them which model of camera obscura they are using and if they designed and built their own.

Personally I find that attitude to be laughable. I did film photography for over fifty years, working with everything from 35 mm through 4x5 and on occasion, an 8x10. Hell I even shot with a 16x20 camera on one occasion. I taught B&W printing and was considered a 'master printer' by some, with my work exhibited in museums and art galleries. Now I shoot digital and my work has been shown in art galleries and museums. Tell the guy to grow up!
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