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The "new" pro shooter.
Old 11-16-2009, 05:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Seems the discussion about where photography is going is getting interesting. I did not want to hijack it, but wanted to relate a funny story about “soccer moms”, or whatever you wish to call them.

A couple of years back I attended a week long school, and at one of the evening meals, which was outdoors, I saw a young lady that I had taken a class with the previous year. It was an advanced class, and she was taking another advanced class, which made it her third year to attend an advanced class by different instructors.

She asked me to take a shot of her, a friend and the instructor. It was getting dark, and I made the shot without changing any settings. I noticed the shutter speed seemed very slow, and told her I wanted to take another shot, and to change the settings so the shutter speed would be fast enough that I would not get any blur , or camera shake. I told her without a tripod I didn’t feel comfortable shooting at any speed under about 1/100 (I am old and shaky). She asked to look at the image on the back of the camera, which I showed her. She said, “It looks sharp to me.”
Well… I replied. “Just in case, let me change the f stop so the shutter speed will be faster.

Her reply, “Don’t make any changes, because I won’t know how to change them back.”

She was a 3rd year advanced student, and does a lot of soccer games and other event photography, for money.



Now, for one more funny comment that I just saw on a forum.
A guy asked about a Yashica 120 film camera, and said he would like to use it but didn’t know about the settings. He also said, “On my digital camera, I just set everything in the middle.”
I don’t know how much photography he does, but I hear similar comments, and those like the young lady in the above anecdote , every time I attend a “professional” convention.

I realize not all new photographers are like this, but it makes me wonder how they can get paid when they don't know shutter speeds and f stops.

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Old 11-16-2009, 08:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Actually, that is the 'competition' many are worried about.
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Re: The "new" pro shooter.
Old 11-16-2009, 08:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I new a photojournalist who shot everything on "automatic" exposure and knew no other way. His images were fantastic, ask him to go to manual, they sucked, he was lost. It only backfired on him in situations like backlit images or images shot with flash at night.

As my father used to say, "Learn to drive standard (stick shift) first, then automatic is a breeze. Learn automatic first and the then when you're forced to drive standard, you'll grind the gears. While you might get to point B from A, your transmission won't last."

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Re: The "new" pro shooter.
Old 11-16-2009, 10:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Reminds me of my high school year book days. We had two cameras, a minolta phd (push here dummy) and a pentax full manual 35mm. I loved that pentax and the other photographer loved the minolta but could never figure out how i could get my shots to look they way they did. Hell i just learned my camera has an auto setting.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Reminds me of my high school year book days. We had two cameras, a minolta phd (push here dummy) and a pentax full manual 35mm. I loved that pentax and the other photographer loved the minolta but could never figure out how i could get my shots to look they way they did. Hell i just learned my camera has an auto setting.
I was also on a yearbook staff, way back in the dark ages. The difference is that back then we learned what f stops and shutter speeds were for.

Nowadays, most of the kids just set it on auto or "P" and press the shutter. Some yearbook advisors don't even know what depth of field is, or what "causes" it.

Most high schools don't have much of a photography program, and what they do have is more about how to use Photoshop than anything else.

A lot of the images are out of focus, blurred, under or over exposed, and those are the good ones..

At one school they have 24 >>>>new<<< computers in the yearbook department, but only 3 Rebels that are about 2 years old.
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Well, this is becoming very standard these days unfortunately. The school where I went and took classes, you couldn't get out of the basic classes without knowing to not only how to shoot on full manual, but process both film and print by hand, ie get chemistry on your hands. Of course, that was the film days, but they still teach how to shoot full manual before you learn how to use any auto features other than maybe auto focus. But, that is not the norm these days, so if you can shoot manual, that's just an advantage over these soccer moms.
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Re: The "new" pro shooter.
Old 11-19-2009, 02:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I was taking a Creative Alternative Photography course at Focal Point in Vancouver and while waiting I struck up a conversation with a young man who was there for another course. Anyway, the subject of ISO came up ...or rather I brought it up. This is a snippet of the conversation...

Him..."What's ISO?"
Me...."Film speed"
(puzzled look on his face)
Me...."Have you shot film before?"
Him..."No"

Considering that he was at least 1/2 my age and totally a Digital Age kid I shouldn't wonder why he knew nothing of ISO settings or even what Film was all about.

...They *do* call the Green auto setting the Idiot Zone, eh? But you know, sometimes it's just easier to say "Piss on it" and go there.
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:22 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Considering that he was at least 1/2 my age and totally a Digital Age kid I shouldn't wonder why he knew nothing of ISO settings or even what Film was all about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You should have told him he needed to learn about ASA before he could understand ISO.
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Don't forget DIN. Or E.I.
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Old 11-20-2009, 04:12 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I'll bet most of those "old" Pentax cameras were K1000s, the first ever real 35mm I got to use. I remember using Pentax LXs for a while before switching to Nikons and ther "AUTO" setting was for shutter speed. You set the apeture, it picked the shutter speed. Program didn't come out for a few years and actually confused the hell out of me for some time. The new digital only generaton has missed out on so much regarding the basics of photography. I got into a heated discussion on another forum concerning depth of field. I said, and was proved right, that if you use the same apeture on a 50mm prime lens and a 24-70 at 50 you will have two different DOF.
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