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Here's Your *od Damned Pictures, Now Shut the F*ck up!
Old 12-28-2008, 12:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey folks!
Besides, providing models with images, where do you cut it off?
Seems the trend I see is models expect more from photographers, than just providing them with images. Is it just me? Are we instantly their managers,their image distributors, their go to guy, when model drama hits the fan? Whatever happened to the photo shoot? I mean, it seems like the photos took a backseat to the models success and agendas, are we more than just photographers? How do you keep your photo shoots, just photo shoots.
I know I've been accused of being too nice to models, and quickly become a door mat for them to wipe their feet on, and some have poo on their shoes! yuck!

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Re: Here's Your *od Damned Pictures, Now Shut the F*ck up!
Old 12-28-2008, 12:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Don,
I have two muses that I will go beyond just the photo shoots with. They have become friends in addition to being models. They have had me to their homes, shared meals with me, shown courtesy and often give as well as receive, so I don't mind giving them prints once in a while or helping out with some networking and being an escort for them to other photo shoots if or when they ask me to do that.
There is no way that I could extend these same things to every model that came along. Two of them can keep me busy enough as it is, but I will put the same effort into photo shoots that I do with other models that show me they are serious about what they are doing.

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Old 12-28-2008, 12:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have two muses that I will go beyond just the photo shoots with. They have become friends in addition to being models. They have had me to their homes, shared meals with me, shown courtesy and often give as well as receive, so I don't mind giving them prints once in a while or helping out with some networking and being an escort for them to other photo shoots if or when they ask me to do that.
There is no way that I could extend these same things to every model that came along. Two of them can keep me busy enough as it is, but I will put the same effort into photo shoots that I do with other models that show me they are serious about what they are doing.

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Re: Here's Your *od Damned Pictures, Now Shut the F*ck up!
Old 12-28-2008, 01:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I would most certainly hate to be labeled as a net manager. That is almost as bad as being a GWC in my opinion.

I had a friend who modeled for JT when he came to town and I was the escort sort of. I was shall we say a really bad escort and tried to fall asleep. All I can say is that chair felt really comfortable. Since then when asked I inform potential models that why I am a bad escort.

Sometimes it depends on what you are getting out of it. Obviously a model will not usually pay you, since most models think photographers are ATMs. If it is for a quality muse, then a little assistance and pushing to the right direction can be beneficial. But if you choose this path; be selective with who you assist.
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Re: Here's Your *od Damned Pictures, Now Shut the F*ck up!
Old 12-28-2008, 06:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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You should just send them here for all those things:

http://www.zombo.com/
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Re: Here's Your *od Damned Pictures, Now Shut the F*ck up!
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I have a model friend that I have known for 2yrs. She is always asking me for advice. She even asked me to escort her on 2 shoots. The funny thing is I have never shot with her. She just calls me and tells me all the things photographers ask her to do and she sends me the perv e-mails she gets from model mayhem. I just do what I can for her and laugh it off. I don't even want to shoot with her anymore..LOL
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Perhaps you can just say this, to them
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Shut the Hell up and Model.
That should stop them from asking you anything else.
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Re: Here's Your *od Damned Pictures, Now Shut the F*ck up!
Old 12-28-2008, 09:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That should stop them from asking you anything else.

you would think huh??? but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
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Besides, providing models with images, where do you cut it off?
Right there.

At the onset of any conversation (pre-shoot) I make sure they understand that, while I will help them with their portfolio, I am not in any position to help them gain paid work. I think this (and the fact that I do only TFP/CD) culls out a lot of them.

I've yet to see this 'trend' you speak of. Perhaps I've just not had as much experience as you nor gotten my 'name' out there yet.

About the only thing I can suggest is that you most emphatically say that your services stop at the Print level and stick to your guns on this. Sure, be nice, be professional...but be strong in your convictions too.

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You should just send them here for all those things:

http://www.zombo.com/

That's funny JonScott!!! I kept waiting and waiting and then realized I was now having a Blonde moment...and I'm not even blonde!
 
 
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