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Old 10-27-2007, 11:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay I am finally going to break the bank and buy a new camera, I have been looking at two close contenders for the amount of money I have, I am looking for feed back from anyone who has them, or done alot of reading about them.

First choice: Mamiya 645ZD complete digital 22megapix at a price of 10K. ( this comes with a 80mm 2.8f lens

Second Choice: Canon EOS-1Ds 21.2 megpix at a price of 8K this is the body only price, an 85mm 1.2 lens L 1.4K

I figure they are very close in price, your thoughts? anyone out there using the 645ZD or have already bought the Canon Eos-1Ds?


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Old 10-27-2007, 11:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Now that's a budget! Unfortunately, I can't help you with opinions on either of those -- but fine choices both.
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Old 10-27-2007, 02:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm in the same boat with Chuck (or the dingy towed behind)

But it seems there would be more lens options available for the Canon.
If that matters in any way.
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Old 10-27-2007, 06:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm supposed to be getting the Mamiya ZD back on loan for about a week sometime around mid-November so I can evaluate it. I'm going to be comparing it to the 1Ds Mk.III and the PhaseOne P25+. I already own a 645 AfD and assortment of lenses.

My guess is that the Mamiya is going to out-resolve the Canon, but that the Canon is going to be far more flexible. We'll see when the rubber meets the road. The P25+ is about 3x the price, so it's not really under consideration, but I want to see what an extra $16K will buy.

I think which way you go really depends on the type of shooting you do. If you primarily live in the studio, don't need ISOs above 200, super-telephotos, fast glass, or fast frame rates then consider the Mamiya. I shoot mostly jewelry and architecture, so rarely use the 80mm. The 120mm f/4 macro pretty much lives on my camera. It's a superb lens and really versatile. I know the 80mm comes with the kit, but for people work I think you'd be better off with the 120mm or the 150mm f/3.5.

However, if you DO need high ISOs, super-telephotos, fast glass, or fast frame rates then the Mamiya is in all likelihood not the tool for you.

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Old 10-27-2007, 08:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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However, if you DO need high ISOs, super-telephotos, fast glass, or fast frame rates then the Mamiya is in all likelihood not the tool for you.

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there's also environmental issues. the canon is built for, amongst others, photo journalists, many of whom routinely take them into camera-unfriendly environments... like deserts and such. this group also includes nature photographers and others.

btw, i thought the mamiya med format dSLR wasn't available in the states?
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Old 10-27-2007, 08:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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btw, i thought the mamiya med format dSLR wasn't available in the states?
The Mamiya ZD isn't, but the ZD back is. You can get it with or without a camera - either a 645 AfD II or an RZ67II. I'm not so sure the Mamiya ZD will ever see the light of day in North America. I prefer the modularity of the back anyway. It allows me to shoot film or replace the back in the future as technology improves. The ZD back is about 2 years late as it is.

Mamiyas are pretty tolerant of abuse. I've tortured RBs, RZs, and 645s for years and they are pretty durable. Granted, I've never shot in a sandstorm or under a waterfall, but they've lived at the beach and in the rain and never quit on me. They're a whole lot simpler than a modern 35mm digital camera. And because the back is removable, the sensor is extremely easy to clean. (I'll bet it's easy to scratch too).
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Old 10-27-2007, 08:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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ahhh... yeah. now i remember. it's the ZD that isn't available. personally, and since i'm so often a studio shooter, i'd go with the 645ZD w/ 22megapix back over the 1Ds. Medium format produces such cool depth to the images.
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