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paying a model for off camera time ???
Old 10-22-2007, 11:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I put out a number of emails to potencial models for a photo shoot with a friends new super Mustang Shelby Cobra. I have gotten a number of responces saying yes they would like to do it for an hourly fee.
I have no problem paying the girls but my question is.
Does the time I'm paying them for include the time in the chair with the MUA and hair stylist. Or is it just the time infront of the camera.

I thinK it should be just the time in front of the camera.

Your thoughts please.
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Re: paying a model for off camera time ???
Old 10-23-2007, 12:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The only real rule is that you should work out an arrangement that makes you both feel good. But to answer your question directly, I'd say you owe the model for time she spends in a chair having the look you need created by the MUA and stylist. Think of it this way...if you do a location shoot, do you factor in the time it takes to set up and tear down in your quote or just the time spent pressing the shutter?

Perhaps working out a flat fee is best.
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think you have it worked out right...work out a flat fee for an approximate number of hours worked. There's nothing worse than having everyone check their watches to see how much money is owed/earned. A quick and friendly upfront discussion can help alleviate the problems that the hourly brings up. Also, it frees the model to just, "model". Fancy that.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:04 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I am surprised that there might be a discussion about this.

Tell the model to arrive at 2:00PM and you will be going home by 6:00PM and you will get paid X amount. IF the shoot is not finished when yo planned you need to pay her more money. It is reasonable to expect her to get to the shoot usually - but once there, she is working, and she is there because she was asked to be, and should be paid for every second. Your logistic issues are you issues not hers.

Now imagine how many times you would show up for an employer who asked you to be there at a certain time and you were there for 4 hours but only paid for 1 because the makeup artist was late or slow or the car arrived late etc. People deserve to be paid for the time you require them to be on set.

Each person you employ for any purpose - could be somewhere else making money - or even having fun - while you have them sitting doing nothing on your set, and the hold ups are not their responsiblity.

Why do we not know to treat others with the same respect we wish to be treated .

There are laws in most civilized countries forcing emplyers to do the right thing cause there are those who would cheat anyoen for any reason as long as they ge tan extra penny. I am sure there is a law in yoru country that forces emplyers to pay for the time the empoyee was booked for.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I would also suggest that if there are any rumblings about 'pay and prints' that you come back with a suggestion of a cut in their rate. This is not like you are going out for a meal and there's an assumption that you'll give a tip...otherwise you might as well do TFP.
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Old 10-23-2007, 10:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
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negotiate/offer flat rates that include approximate time the model will be on set, e.g., half-day or full-day and approx. how many hours a half or full-day includes. (i'd suggest a half-day is 4-5 hours and a full-day is 8-10 hours.) These day rates begin when the model arrives on set.
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I do not do enough of these kind of shoots to know the "rules".
thanks for the help!

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