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Old 04-17-2007, 02:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ok ive been looking at some fashion photography, and realized that fashion and glamour photography look the same. it seems that it is the same posing and every thing. The only difference i see is that fashion photography the models are wearing flashier clothing. (this is going to make me seem stupid) what is the difference between fashion and glamour photography? I cant tell the difference.
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This is definately not Fashion.

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Old 04-17-2007, 03:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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good question, I've been wondering that myself, because some fashion photography has also nudes, I've seen compilations of european magazine photos where you see that.
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Old 04-17-2007, 03:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Quite obviously, they are opposite in intent. Glamour photography is to showcase the model/sitter, and things like clothing etc are props. It's the reverse in fashion; the model shouldn't "overwhelm" the product and the model is actually the prop. A lot of times, the model isn't even making eye contact with the viewer. Here's an example I did for a company recently who sells (among other things) shirts; notice the model isn't even looking at the viewer, she's just a prop:



So, completely different intents.

I would say that the lighting for glamour photography is much more wide in acceptability; you can light someone with very high lighting ratios for moodiness that might not work well for fashion if you can't see the dress. I saw a bulletin once on myspace from a local "fashion photographer" and his lighting was interesting, but you coudln't even see what the model was wearing. I can't imagine that being attractive to a company selling her dress.
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Old 04-17-2007, 03:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Arghhhh…. You guys need to take Rolando’s workshop

I remember Rolando said:

Fashion shot – Model is the cloth hanger. Model will not smile or look into your eyes.

Glamour shot – Model is the focal point. Model will look right into your eyes to spark your emotion.

Of course, nothing is black and white. So learn the rule, so that you can break it, he said.
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Old 04-17-2007, 03:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Arghhhh…. You guys need to take Rolando’s workshop

I remember Rolando said:

Fashion shot – Model is the cloth hanger. Model will not smile or look into your eyes.

Glamour shot – Model is the focal point. Model will look right into your eyes to spark your emotion.
That's pretty much exactly what I said - although I'll disagree that the model "will not smile or look into eyes." Obviously, that is definitely NOT always the case in a successful fashion image! It "used" to be true, but not anymore. I would rephrase that to say that the model isn't to "distract" from the product/wardrobe... but to say "will not" is obviously, not the case...
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Mr. TJ,

Have I read you post before I submited, I would never sent out my response. I certainly I had no intention to take your credit on your wisdom on this matter. In fact I just learned this from Master Rolando.

As for the statement of "will not smile or look into eyes”, Mr. Rolando also covered that in his morning discussion on last Sunday. He actually used VS catalog as an example to illustrate his point that crossover exists. That is why Rolando told us to learn the rules well, so that we can break them.

Lastly, I can delete my previous post if it troubles you. Just let me know, Peace on Earth.
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Lol... no Conner certainly no need to delete, sorry if I somehow sounded abrasive, wasn't the intent...
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Photonut has the best idea on defining glamour vs fashion. That is to show examples. Its like the difference between porn and glamour. You can try all day to define it but ultimately it comes down to the old cliche "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it".

I often use the catch phrase "the map is not the territory" at the end of my posts. That is relevant to this type of discussion. If we show concrete examples of what we feel is glamour and what we feel is fashion, then we can often come to a better idea of which is which. So we might continue on this thread by each posting a photo and label it one way or another. Then we will gradually know which is which by applying the old saying.

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For example, my shot of Lindsey is glamour.

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Photonut has the best idea on defining glamour vs fashion. That is to show examples.rfs
I would agree with you that showing examples is the best; however, I'm not sure I would classify his example as "glamour." And it's certainly not fashion. I posted an example of a fashion image, and it's one where eye contact isn't even made. Whether his example is glamour or not is another topic I suppose. But yes posting examples is always very helpful.
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