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100% Brand new, Lighting for a motorcycle shoot, question.
Old 02-15-2007, 10:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello everyone, absolutely brand new to this web site, and for the past three weeks I have been reading here, I love it. I am completely brand new to the whole photography thing. I have a small custom motorcycle shop down here in Florida and decided to start taking photos of some girls on some of the bikes that we finish.

Well that opened up Pandora’s box for me, and a whole new world! I cannot believe everything that is involved in producing quality photographs. I figured,,, “I’ll spend a few bucks on a decent camera, take a few pictures of some girls on some of our bikes and BAM!! They will turn out great, and I’ll be the man!”

Yeah right! After reading post after post, tech tip after tech tip, I realized there is more to this than I ever imagined! I thought custom painting was tough! This site has opened my eyes and now I do not even look at a photograph the same. This is truly an art, my eyes have been opened to a whole new world.

Ok enough of that, here is my question…..

I am shooting (Trying) a motorcycle on a black backdrop with some strobe lights with soft boxes. When I first started messing with the lights I plugged in the automatic sensor in the flash “hot shoe” and both lights fired the same time every time like they are supposed to. Now that I have added the soft boxes it seems like the second light does not always fire, like it does not see the first lights flash. If I move them around a bit, I can get them both to flash but the secondary light has to be a little bit in front of the strobe with the sync plugged into it. (The primary light)

What I am thinking to fix this problem is this. Tell me if this will work or not…. I was thinking of attaching the FM transmitter to the hot shoe for one light, in order to set that one off, and plugging in a sync cord into the camera body and attaching it to the second light, just to make sure they both fire when I want them to. Will this work without crashing my camera or hurting the camera in any way? I don’t want to try this and kill the camera.

Any help would be awesome.
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Re: 100% Brand new, Lighting for a motorcycle shoot, question.
Old 02-15-2007, 10:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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http://www.alienbees.com/remotes.html

Get the 40.00 trigger and a couple of 40.00 receivers. I'm trying to do biker photos at a local biker bar and upcoming hog rally. I'd be interested in seeing your shots. I won't be shooting on paper, just outside. Probably won't have any hot naked chicks either.
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Re: 100% Brand new, Lighting for a motorcycle shoot, question.
Old 02-15-2007, 10:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What sort of lights are you usng? If each light just has a slave of some sort, then the slave must be able to see the flash of the one flash that you trigger from the camera. If its just a line of sight problem, then usually a piece of crumpled tin foil taped near the slave sensor will pick up enough light from the other flash to fire.
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Re: 100% Brand new, Lighting for a motorcycle shoot, question.
Old 02-15-2007, 11:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm not exactly sure what your setup was from how you described it but based on what did work, it seems obvious that your flashes (or at least one of them if they aren't identical models) has a built in slave trigger.

Usually, when you plug in a sync cord to a strobe, the slave trigger is deactivated. If there is no sync plugged in, it is activated. You might want to verify your flashes do indeed work this way.

So, when it works, here is what happens:
1. You press the shutter.
2. The camera fires the plugged in transmitter.
3. The receiver gets the signal and fires the flash it is attached to.
4. The slave trigger on the other flash (or flashes if there is more than one other) sees the first flash fire and immediately triggers the second flash to fire.

All that happens at the speed of light, so you don't see it as a sequence of steps. But if you think of it this way, it's pretty easy to diagnose the problem. Try the following:
1. Is the second flash plugged in, turned on and does it fire when you press the 'test' button to manually fire it? Also, are you waiting long enough for it to recycle after firing?
2. Is something plugged into the sync socket that would disable the slave trigger?
3. Can the slave trigger 'see' the synced flash? Sometimes the subject itself blocks the slave.

I can pretty much guarantee one of those three things will solve your problem. However, if you still can't find it, try this: take the receiver out of the first flash and plug it into the other flash instead. That reverses the master-slave relationship but you don't have to change the function of the flashes with respect to your photo.

I often use multiple flash setups and I nearly always use my fill light as the master because it's placement pretty much guarantees all the other flashes will see it fire.

*sigh* Models, motorcycles and Florida sunshine! I could use some of that about now.

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Re: 100% Brand new, Lighting for a motorcycle shoot, question.
Old 02-16-2007, 02:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I've got some shots with a model with some hot bikes. These bikes are by Eddie Trotta. http://www.thundercycle.com/




see more of my pix of the lovely Candice in the links Below;
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Re: 100% Brand new, Lighting for a motorcycle shoot, question.
Old 02-18-2007, 12:16 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks! The tin foil did the trick! The soft box hid the sensor just enough not to work, but the tin foil works awsome!
Thanks, I will post a pic when I am finished with the shoot, just testing right now.
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Re: 100% Brand new, Lighting for a motorcycle shoot, question.
Old 02-18-2007, 08:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Hi ,

Welcome to G1. I am right over here in Clearwater if you need any help . I have shot a few bikes and I ride also. You will find this place very helpful and it will keep you coming back all the time.

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Re: 100% Brand new, Lighting for a motorcycle shoot, question.
Old 02-18-2007, 10:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks for the help, going to try and post an image so let's see what happens. This is the first time I have really tried taking nice professional style photos so,,, let me have it, I can take it!! haha.. I put a color photo under this b/w photo. I like the black and white the shadow kinda follows her right hip.
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Old 02-18-2007, 11:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Looks like you used two lights, which is what you said you had, one kind of straight on, the other off to the left about 45 degrees. In the b&w one, where is the light coming from that is striking her hip/backside? Are those skylights I see in the tank or shop lights?
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