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Old 01-21-2007, 10:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Re: Lindsey at Sunset......
Old 01-22-2007, 04:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You do have a great eye for beautiful women and great lighting.
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Old 01-23-2007, 08:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I enjoy your work and this is another great shot. The dynamic range is incredible. Do you mind sharing how you lit this and how much PS was involved?
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Re: Lindsey at Sunset......
Old 01-23-2007, 10:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You do have a great eye for beautiful women and great lighting.
Thank you Vic!
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Re: Lindsey at Sunset......
Old 01-23-2007, 11:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I enjoy your work and this is another great shot. The dynamic range is incredible. Do you mind sharing how you lit this and how much PS was involved?
Thank you....I first tried using available light, hoping the sand dune in front of her, (out of the picture) would kick light back into her face...but the background completely washed out. I then put a SB600 on my camera and shot it. I probably should have put the camera on auto, to hopefully retain more detail on the water, but I shot it in aperature priority, and was beyond what the flash was capable of for a more even balance. I tried to salvage the water detail in Capture NX, but it wasn't to be, and just turned dingy grey. All that was done in photoshop were some adjustments in levels to remove the redness caused by the flash, and to brighten the shot a little, and I used unsharp mask.
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:08 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Marty,
Absolutely stunning!!!! It's almost like you can do no wrong.
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:41 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I have a few small quibbles with this photo. You've already pointed out the loss of detail in the water. But let's look at the details of the photo. First we have the horizon line running through the neck (usually not a good thing). We have distracting weeds behind the model. The lighting is unnatural and looks very artificial giving the scene and where the sun is. The position of the hands and particular the hand on the left is not the best. Usually you don't want the back of a hand so prominent. The lighting is very flat on the model and little definition which is typical of a on camera flash. I think the scene had potential, but you needed to move the subject to where the weeds would not be a dominate part of the composition. It would have been better to have the flash off camera to one side or the other to reduce the flatness. I know sometimes that isn't possible, and you have to just take what you can get.

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Note: About exposure. Usually with a shot like this you would shoot in manual. Set the fstop for what the flash needs for a good exposure of the model and set the shutterspeed to give a good exposure to the water for that fstop.

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Re: Lindsey at Sunset......
Old 01-25-2007, 05:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Absolutely stunning!!!! It's almost like you can do no wrong.
Thanks....but you might wanta check with Fred on that! LOL!!!
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Old 01-25-2007, 06:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I have a few small quibbles with this photo. You've already pointed out the loss of detail in the water. But let's look at the details of the photo. First we have the horizon line running through the neck (usually not a good thing). We have distracting weeds behind the model. The lighting is unnatural and looks very artificial giving the scene and where the sun is. The position of the hands and particular the hand on the left is not the best. Usually you don't want the back of a hand so prominent. The lighting is very flat on the model and little definition which is typical of a on camera flash. I think the scene had potential, but you needed to move the subject to where the weeds would not be a dominate part of the composition. It would have been better to have the flash off camera to one side or the other to reduce the flatness. I know sometimes that isn't possible, and you have to just take what you can get.

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Thanks Fred...I think the word hate would have saved you a lot of typing! HA HA.....I appreciate everything you said, but have my own thoughts too. First off, the picture is almost exactly as taken. I think on my monitor it's still too red, and was even worse. With levels I added contrast and sharpened it. Your advice on exposure is right, but this was the last shot we took, cuz a massive swarm of mosquito's all but carried us away!! I shot it twice, once without flash, and once with. I was not only too far away, but too stopped down, and under powered. She wanted the shot, so I took it. Personally I dont think too much about the photo looks real, it actually looks very fake. The horizon didn't really bother me, but I know it would a lot of people. If the picture was a tight portrait, the hand being turned might be a distraction, but I didn't notice it....another thing about this shot that you don't like, is my favorite...the weeds, I love em!
If you have ever looked at any of my work, like it or not, then you would know that I'm not much of a user of lighting equipment anyway, and never break out an on camera flash period. It produces very flat lighting, making the nose all but disappear...kinda like in your portrait you posted. I posted this shot knowing it wasn't a technical wonder...but because it didn't look real, and because of the colors, and the weeds...I thought it was pretty cool, kinda post card like, and different for me!


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Re: Lindsey at Sunset......
Old 01-25-2007, 06:59 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Generally speaking, I like the image even though there are some things that could technically make it better. A strobe with a power pack might have helped improve on this. Curious about a comment that was made on this having flat lighting. With all of the talk about how amazing ring flashes are, if one of those had been used for this image, it would still be flat lighting. As for the fake appearance of a picture like this, that would only be due to the fact that we don't normally see people lit up like this during this time of the evening, but I like the look that pictures like this have and we have seen JT Smith, Rolando and a few others post similar images here that have this lighting effect.
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