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1st Shoot with Crystal
Old 01-06-2007, 10:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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And only my second shoot ever so I'm open to all C&C. It can only make me better.

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Re: 1st Shoot with Crystal
Old 01-06-2007, 12:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nice shot. The image seems a little overly warm. The whites of her eyes look a little brown. I'm not sure if that was on purpose or unitentional. It has a sepia tone feel. But based on her undershirt color I'm not sure it was your intent. You almost look like you took this in my studio... I dyed a similar background this yours. It is my main background by the way.

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Old 01-07-2007, 12:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The warm feel wasn't my intention I was just having serious issues with color space going from lightroom to CS3. Think I've got it figured out and this one is more of what I was going for. It was actually shot in my kitchen with a purchased background lite with a 580ex and one of the sample gels from rosco.


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Oh yeah,
I'm liking that much better. Great skin tones now. And her eyes look better. The color of the coat is even more natural now. I have had difficulties when my white balance is not correct (which I know how to do a preset but sometimes don't take the time or use RAW). Then I struggle with getting the skin tones to look perfect. My image of Holley that I attached was shot at 5900k based on Rolando's rec but I didn't like how it made the rest of the image look. I think that setting works fine in some situations but not when you have white bedspreads or sheets. Unless it looks like evening light it looks off.

Anyway good job pulling it back.

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My image of Holley that I attached was shot at 5900k based on Rolando's rec but I didn't like how it made the rest of the image look.
RG's rec notwithstanding, therein lies the problem with making those kind of in-camera adjustments: it effects the entire image. My rec for the vast majority of your shooting? go with the camera's defaults to match the shooting environment, i.e., strobe when shooting with strobes, tungsten with tungsten, daylight in daylight. if you're doing custom WBs, make sure you do so using a source light that is unmodified color-wise. I've seen guys apply some bastard amber to their key, then WB to that key with the gel still affixed. All that's gonna do is make the camera believe the BA tint is white for that color temp. Then, these same guys are scratching their heads wondering why the BA doesn't seem to be warming their images. Jeez/ It ain't brain surgery, ya know?
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My image of Holley that I attached was shot at 5900k based on Rolando's rec but I didn't like how it made the rest of the image look. I think that setting works fine in some situations but not when you have white bedspreads or sheets. Unless it looks like evening light it looks off.
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I generally like to shoot with Custom White Balance rather than dialing in a Kelvin setting. Then if I want it warmer I can do that in the RAW converter. I shoot only RAW. But you're right, you can sometimes end up with the skin tones you want, but the rest of the scene is too warm. The secret to handling this problem, is in shooting RAW. You just process the RAW photo twice. Once with the skin just the way you want it and once with the rest of the scene at the WB that works best for it. Bring both RAW images into PS. Drag the model image on top of the background image. So now the whole photo looks warm. What we want is to have the model stay warm, but leave the background with the good WB we created in RAW. So ...

Click on the Create Layer Mask while holding down the ALT key, and this will give you a black mask and he image will show the background looking good and the model a bit cool (the black mask hides the front photo of the model with warm skin). Now grab a soft white brush at about 25% and start brushing over the areas of the skin that you want warmer. White reveals (black conceals).

That's all there is to it. See my tutorial on using the Black Mask technique here:

http://www.glamour1.com/forums/digit...ask#post217556

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Yes I understand the advantages of shooting RAW and the double image technique. I have done that a lot in shooting landscape photography. But I had talked to RG about what he did and tried following his advice. It worked great with images where there was a dark background but on light backgrounds it was not pretty. With my computer and my version CS version of PS it is not good to use RAW. I can open and image and RAW and go get a cup of coffee before I can change a setting...then make the change and go change the oil on the car before I can actually edit the image. So if I can avoid RAW I do. When I get a new computer and PS version I expect that I'll shoot in RAW a lot more.

I do use the masking tech on eyes as you can see in this example.

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