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Old 12-19-2006, 01:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ever been hassled by security when taking pictures? You may be well within your rights. Photographer Thomas Hawk's trying to raise awareness about public photography, one snapshot at a time. By Evan Ratliff from Wired Test.

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Old 12-19-2006, 09:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes I was hassled by security before. It was at a outdoor shopping and entertainment area where a lot of tourists go to have fun and take family pictures mostly with there point and shoot digital cameras. But since I was probably the only person there with a digital SLR and an attractive girl along to shoot pictures, they decided that I should not be there.
Here is one of those incriminating images that might ruin there shopping area.
Ok probably not.
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Old 12-19-2006, 11:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It Happen to me I was In Palisade Mall in New York with my wife and we was walking around and she said come on take me photo ok in less the 15 second ther was the secuity and the cop aske what are we doing in the more takeing pictures. we tell them there is not sing that said that taking picture is not allowed in the mall.
they explain that seen September 11 in various Mall in New York taking photo in our outside the mall area it not allowed unless you have a permmit.
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I used to be a cop, so it pleases me to no end when security guards come up and ask what I'm doing. Their primary responsibility is to observe and report, nothing more. When they say they are going to call the cops, I tell them to go right ahead.

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I used to be a cop, so it pleases me to no end when security guards come up and ask what I'm doing. Their primary responsibility is to observe and report, nothing more. When they say they are going to call the cops, I tell them to go right ahead.

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Thank you, that the same thing my sister told me Their primary responsibility is toobserve and report and still happen in this mall I think what are they are doing is over reacting.
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Ever been hassled by security when taking pictures? You may be well within your rights. Photographer Thomas Hawk's trying to raise awareness about public photography, one snapshot at a time. By Evan Ratliff from Wired Test.

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This is fun. A buddy of mine who is a highly respected deputy occasionally will accompany me on shoots as an assistant...expecially if it's an area where I'm at all concerned about security. I very much enjoy when the rent-a-cops hassle him and he pulls back his jacket to reveal a badge and his Glock. They seem to leave us alone after that, but the looks on their faces are priceless.
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I'm probabbly one of the only people that can do this, but while I've never been hassled by security, if I were to be, I'd just pull out my ID along with my Security License and let them know everything is ok. Most of the times that I've done that before, they just leave me alone, especially if it's in house security that here in CA, dosn't necessarily need a license to be a guard.

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Old 12-19-2006, 03:18 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Private owners have every right to control photography/videography on their premises. They are concerned about misuse of photos, innocent 3rd parties being included in commercial photos and videos, abuse by fraud artists like "Borat" (who routinely obtained filming access via outright lying about his intentions and the nature of the film/filming) and countless other abuses which are too numerous to mention. There are a huge number of financial and legal reasons why property owners may want to control filming on their property.

Not to mention filming for planning purposes by Arab terrorists. Ever wonder why cameras/filming are restricted on military bases? Ever wonder who some recent purported incidents of Arabs caught filming aircraft on approach to LAX aroused attention?

The owner concern about shooting on the premises is well-taken and reasonable. If it bothers people taking snapshots, too bad. If it bothers people doing commercial work, too bad. If it bothers Arabs planning to do terrorism, all to the good.

The more interesting and valid question is whether restrictions on filming in public, national, state parks are valid. In CA there have been numerous attempts to force even little guys to pay considerable fees as well as jump through paperwork and other hoops, to shoot in state parks.

BTW, for those posters who think they have every right to shoot on private property, I would ask, "If someone went on your lawn w/ model and reflector-holder guy, would you think he has a right to shoot there?"

BTW, for the guy who has an armed cop w/ him as assistant, what do my gentle colleagues think of the fact that a guy accompanied by an armed person ACTING IN OTHER THAN HIS PROFESSIONAL AUTHORITY, has more "rights" (through intimidation) than ordinary people who aren't packing a badge and Glock.
 
 
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If it bothers people taking snapshots, too bad. If it bothers people doing commercial work, too bad. If it bothers Arabs planning to do terrorism, all to the good.
Not acceptable. The rights of law abiding citizens come first.

Several years ago, I was harrassed by no fewer than 8 Capitol Police officers while taking this unremarkable picture standing on a public sidewalk:

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Everyone should recognize one of those structures as being a public building. The one in the forground is also a public building.

Keep in mind that the Capitol Police are actual Law Enforcement Officers, not rent-a-cops, but it is only in very recent history that the department has been run in anything approaching a professional manner, as opposed to being a virtual "palace guard" for Congress.

The universal response the next day at my office was that it was ridiculous to harrass me, because if I had been up to no good, I wouldn't have let anyone see me taking photos.

If you think that harrassing photographers on public property will ever provide the slightest bit of security, you are grossly mistaken. Surveillance quality images don't have to be in perfect focus, have great composition or color balance. They can be taken with a phone camera while no one is looking. Harrassing the guy with the DSLR, big lens and tripod is nothing more than security theatre. It doesn't actually enhance security, but does interfere with the rights of law abiding citizens.

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BTW, for the guy who has an armed cop w/ him as assistant, what do my gentle colleagues think of the fact that a guy accompanied by an armed person ACTING IN OTHER THAN HIS PROFESSIONAL AUTHORITY, has more "rights" (through intimidation) than ordinary people who aren't packing a badge and Glock.
He doesn't have more "rights". He has the same actual rights as the rest of us. Unfortunately, there are too many times when those rights need to be defended by standing up to ("intimidating", if you insist) the fools, petty tyrants and perpetually fearful that would take away our rights.
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