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The time has come for me to fight for right
Old 11-02-2006, 06:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This year in Texas, two art teachers have lost their jobs over the human body. One resigned over artistic photos of herself on a photographers web site and anouther was fired for taking students to a museum that had a nude painting.

I believe that I need to stand up to this supression of the arts before it's too late. My first step is this letter below that I've written to the local Austin, TX newspaper.


Michelangeloís a pornographer!

An art teacher resigned over artistic nude photos of herself and another art teacher was fired for taking students to a museum? Perhaps you holier than thou hypocrites donít realize that God created us naked and naked we walked hand in hand with God for time untold. This is the first part of the Christian bible and God made no attempts to cloth us. So if your saying that nudity is immoral and wrong then youíre saying that God is immoral and wrong. God is not immoral and wrong so that makes those who are imposing their judgments on us immoral and wrong.

Itís art people! Get over yourselves!

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I'm a troublemaker by every definition of the word but this time I'm making trouble for the right reasons.

I could use a little help though.

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Blah... Blah... Blah...

Do what you want with your kids and leave ours alone.
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Old 11-02-2006, 06:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Blah... Blah... Blah...

Do what you want with your kids and leave ours alone.
I agree. We should all have that choice. If a museum has nude paintings and you don't want your kids to see these, then don't let your kids go to the museum.
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Old 11-02-2006, 07:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Do what you want with your kids and leave ours alone.
your myopic reply says to me you agree with the firing of the teacher. hows this? why don't you enroll your kids in taliban school? cuz if you think what that teacher did was wrong you're not only condemming the teacher your condemming the museum and you're saying many, many examples of the finest classical art ever produced by humanity is wrong, including much of what has been painted and sculpted throughout history to pay homage to god. if we're lucky, your first and only post on this forum will be your last. IMO, your expressed views tell me you've come to the wrong forum.
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Give 'em hell, Jimmy!

I won't rant and rave--but I did spend nearly nine years of my life in the service fighting in two wars for things like freedom, democracy, the ability to express one's self, thoughts, and creativity via any medium desired. I believe we are all with sin. Should we even begin to slightly judge those around us without taking an inner-inventory first--we are truly heading in the wrong direction.

To fire or force a teacher to resign over art and or something she does in her free time outside of her paid schedule is ridiculous. Just ridiculous. I do agree with another post here--if you don't want your children to attend the museum--don't let them attend.

There are people in North Korea and if they so much as print, discuss, or convey anything in terms of degredation of the government--they are killed. Our nation is built on freedom--and it should stay that way. If the teachers did not break any laws established by our governing bodies, then they should be allowed to do as they did without retribution.

Jimmy, if you sign a petition and send it--put my name on it!!!!

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Old 11-02-2006, 09:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Jimmy, if you sign a petition and send it--put my name on it!!!!::
A petition??? A great idea!

In Germany, the public outcry saved a play from being canceled A petition could save a teacher and our freedoms. This is the first time I've ever done anything for a total stranger and without any reward but to preserve the freedom of expression.

I don't know how to write a petition. Any ideas?

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Do what you want with your kids and leave ours alone.
I have often said that Georgia is "where the Bible Belt buckles:, but maybe I was wrong. It would seem to buckle in Texas. Just one question for you, based on your quote above, why the phuk are you on a glamour site? Nudity exosts, some of that nudity is even naked!
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Touche!
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I just email the ACLU.

I would of never have thought of that.

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First, you probably want to edit your letter for grammar and spelling before sending it to the Austin American-Statesman. While I generally agree with your premise, poorly-articulated points are seldom debated on their merits.

Second, though I am very Libertarian and am not offended by the actions of either teacher, even the most-liberal must acknowledge that there exists a significant difference between the two situations. The teacher who posed for artistic nudes on her own time has absolutely nothing for which to apologize.

The teacher who organized the field trip is another story. Please Google the story. She was fired for poor performance, not for the field trip. She had been fired by a previous school for poor performance as well. Basically, she didn't do her lesson plans and (as I understand it) didn't get things approved in advance where school policies/procedures required it.

Someone above said (and I paraphrase) "if you don't want your kids to see nudity, don't send them to the museum." Good point, IF (a very big "if") the teacher sent advance notice of the field trip AND informed the less-enightened parents that the children could be expected to view nude paintings, sculpture, etcetera. I don't know whether she did so, but my recollection is that she did not.

SHOULD these small-minded parents prevent their children from enjoying great artwork? No, of course not. But to do so IS a legal RIGHT of a parent. It would appear that this teacher (acting unilaterally) deprived these parents of this right. She might have MEANT well, but she DID wrong.

As much as I admire Jimmy's photography and the vast majority of his views, his comments on this thread (Taliban? Really?) seem to indicate that his willingness to force his own social views upon the children of other people is equal to that of the right-wing nuts (or of the Taliban).

While I personally agree with his views (both social and aesthetic), I acknowledge that I have no right to force them upon other people's offspring.
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