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Old 08-10-2006, 05:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Embarrassed to ask this, but I need your help. I have a family group photo which ended up being wider than my background. Is it possible to isolate the people and then clone the background without cloning over the top of them? If it is, how do I do this? Sometimes I wonder why I switched to digital. <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" oreferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"/> <v:formulas> <v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"/> </v:formulas> <vath o:extrusionok="f" gradientshapeok="t" o:connecttype="rect"/> <o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"/> </v:shapetype><v:shape id="_x0000_i1025" type="#_x0000_t75" alt="" style='width:12pt; height:12pt'> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\JEANDA~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\cli p_image001.gif" o:href="http://www.glamour1.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]--><!--[endif]-->

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Re: Photoshop ?
Old 08-10-2006, 06:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What I would do in this situation is to duplicate the layer, carfully make a selection of all the people, add a layers mask to that layer so that just the people remain visible (hide the base layer to check this). Then go back to the first layer and clone in the background. Reason I prefer doing it this way is that if I make a mistake I can still paint back or for that matter paint out parts that I may have missed. It also allows me to be able to use a soft brush for parts that are less in focus. By the way the painting bit is done only on the layer mask.

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Re: Photoshop ?
Old 08-10-2006, 08:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you. I'll give that a try & I appreciate the advice.

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Re: Photoshop ?
Old 08-11-2006, 03:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If you still have some troubles, feel free to send me the RAW image and I'll have a go at fixing it up for you...

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Re: Photoshop ?
Old 08-11-2006, 08:00 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Is it a 9' wide seamless? If so, turn it so it rolls out horizontally and keep everyone's head from extending over the top. You don't have any 9' relatives, do you? I know you have stuff to cover the floor, I've seen your BTS shots.
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Re: Photoshop ?
Old 08-11-2006, 10:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks Dave.

Jimmy, it is a 10' x 20'. I had thought about turning it sideways, but I was informed that I would not be able to tape anything to the walls.

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Re: Photoshop ?
Old 08-12-2006, 05:02 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks Dave.

Jimmy, it is a 10' x 20'. I had thought about turning it sideways, but I was informed that I would not be able to tape anything to the walls.

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comment and a question.
Would shooting film have alleviated this problem? Actually I think in this instance the fact that you have to use PhotoShop skipping the whole film scanning thing aids rather than exacerbates.
This is a problem I've faced many times. There are a few tricks that make this easy if you keep an eye to what is behind the individuals that require the extended background. I do a quick selection around the individuals taking care to get all of the hair and other parts that might be difficult separating from the existing background. I give these selections a good feather and copy to a new layer. (this usually includes all of those on the desired background) At this point you need to decide if the cloned backdrop can be made to match the fringes. If not you have to make a decision whether to do the hard cutting or selecting the whole group and putting in a completely new background that will allow for fringe matching. if none of this works you get to earn your money.
Sometimes there is no substitute for the hard work of manual selecting. I know there is a lot of stuff out there designed to do it for you but I've yet to find one that beats elbow grease. I should point out that if you go with the hard cut that a cut just inside the individuals outline and a feather of .05 to 2 pixels (depending on the image size) will be hardly noticable even in very large prints. You make the cut just inside so that the feather will not include the existing background. Remember feathering extends to both sides of the line by the value of the stated feather. Don't worry about the little flyaway hairs they should probably be clipped and wouldn't be visible in large groups anyway.
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