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The "X" Factor
Old 07-12-2006, 07:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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new at http://prettygirlshooter.blogspot.com

am i annoying anyone yet with these self-serving posts?
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Old 07-12-2006, 08:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Been reading your blog, and on the last article there's a couple of what I guess I'd call logical fallacies.

I appreciate the need to keep things simple sometimes but it kind of breaks down for me in that there's a definite gap.

It's not either glamour or porn because it has nudity or the three "p's". Glamour photography is supposed to be glamorous. Some very famous glamour photographers never took a nude photograph (at least that I saw). Some nude photographs I've seen don't qualify using your 3p benchmark as pornography but they aren't the least bit glamorous.

I think the word glamour, in some ways is like the word gay. It used to mean one thing, and now it virtually means something different. A lot of photographers have adopted "glamour" as their word for "nude" photography. I understand why. A conversation with a potential model about glamour photography lasts a lot longer than a conversation with a potential model about nude photography. I don't think you can lump glamour and nude photography into the same apple cart as though they are interchangeable just the same.

Not all glamour has nudity, not all nude photography is glamorous. There's definitely something between glamour and porn that is nude and not glamour. It's nude photography. It can be tasteless, or beautiful but it is not necessarily glamour.

I think we need to make the distinction because a model deserves to know up front if you are talking about "glamour", "nude", or "glamour-nude" photography. I'm sure a high degree of model burnout is due to the brochure/sales pitch being about "glamour" and the experience being "nude".

Keep the blog going. I like your attitude.
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Been reading your blog, and on the last article there's a couple of what I guess I'd call logical fallacies.
i agree that nudity does not, necessarilly, qualify as glamour. there are a number of different genres that include nudity.

i also agree that glamour does not require nudity...

in my quest to simplify things and in keeping with what is currently regarded as glamour photography, the common denominators are sexiness, sex appeal, and sexually inviting.

as an example, a full-clothed woman--clothed head to toe--posing herself with a very pronounced "S" curve and running her fingers up through her hair making eye contact with the camera and with a little knowing smirk on her face and who is lit in a diffused manner with accent highlights definitely constitutes a glamour shot and it is definitely an image of a woman showcasing her wares... her sexuality if you will.
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Old 07-13-2006, 08:08 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Not annoying at all. I find your blog informative and entertaining.

"I know it when I see it" was penned by Potter Stewart, an Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, forty-two years ago. Concurring opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184, 197 (1964).
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in my quest to simplify things and in keeping with what is currently regarded as glamour photography, the common denominators are sexiness, sex appeal, and sexually inviting.
I think this may be at the core of what I see as the difference between how men and women see glamour. I believe women think the point of glamour is to be attractive but not sexual because they want to be attractive to men as well as other women.

Men see it as sexual attractiveness (damn that second defective X chromosone).

So when a woman hears "glamour" she thinks "dress up" and when a guy hears "glamour" he thinks "get undressed."

So what's on the blog today D-man.
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"I know it when I see it" was penned by Potter Stewart, an Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, forty-two years ago. Concurring opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184, 197 (1964).
thanks. someone must have borrowed that book from my law library and not returned it. i hate when that happens!
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I'll know it when I see it. Where I live, you don't have the opportunity to see it. lol Playboy is not for sale in the County I live in. It's considered porn. I guess the brethren have a different definition of porn than you.

I'll try my best to define theirs:

Any exposure of flesh below the collar bone and above the knee is porn.

Anyways, I'm enjoying reading your blog so keep 'em coming.
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