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Old 06-25-2006, 03:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I attended eroticaLA yesterday.

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is an annual, 3-day convention (for public consumption) held at the L.A. Convention Center. There are hundreds of exhibitors and it is attended by about 50,000 people all paying $30 (!) each to get in. While there, I spoke with everyone's favorite porn icon, Ron Jeremy, whom I've known for quite a few years.

But let me back up a bit and set this up.

On the showfloor, amidst all the booths with porn stars and glamour girls and sex toys (I mean, marital aids) and freaks and carnies and just about everything else imagineable of a commercial sex nature, the show's organizers set aside a large space and assembled an impressive erotic art show with many paintings, sculptures, and photographs on display.

While making my way, admiringly, through this gallery of erotic art, I heard my name called. I turned and it was Ron Jeremy, quickly approaching with an entourage in tow.

Ronnie always has an entourage in tow. And conversing with him (in public) always happens with an audience watching and listening. The longer the conversation lasts, the bigger the crowd becomes. Ronnie is VERY recognizeable to the general public! (Except, perhaps to those who live in a cave... or maybe in Utah.) Anyway... As a rule, speaking with Ronnie includes and abundance of jokes and one-liners the Hedgehog tosses out in a constant barrage on one's senses. And no matter how bad his jokes are, the crowd always loves it. Ronnie knows how to work a room, that's for sure.

At one point during our conversation, which included some catching-up as well as some stuff about the art that surrounded us, Ronnie asked me a question:

As he looked around, continually sizing up the expanding crowd gathering around us and "mugging" for the many people holding up small, point-n-shoot, digicams, Ronnie asked, "So James..." Ronnie always calls me either "James" or "Mr. DiGiorgio." I think Ronnie figures the more important he makes the (unrecognizeable) person he's speaking to seem, the more it elevates his own stature. "Do you know the difference between porn and erotica?"

"Uhh, gee, Ronnie, no, what's the difference?" I played along, suddenly the straight man in Jeremy's perpetual comedy routine.

"Lighting," he said.

The crowd laughed. I laughed. Ronnie laughed.

He then, of course, repeated the setup--and the punchline--in a bit louder voice for the benefit of anyone in the crowd who might not have heard him the first time he said it.
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Old 06-25-2006, 03:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The myrmidons were laughing to be part of the crowd, but there's certainly some truth to that. "Ronnie" is one interesting sociological study, to be sure. But he obviously knows his way around that industry, and I'm sure has lots of keen insight.

Unless one is in the port/erotica business, I think it's a rhetorical question, though...which makes it perfect fodder for an internet forum on the weekend.
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Can't comment on that distinction, but we all know the difference between porn and fine-art nude: fine-art nude is monochrome.
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The myrmidons were laughing...
hehehe... a new word to add to my vocabulary. if only i could find myself a myrmidon or two.

attractive female myrmidons preferred.
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Old 06-25-2006, 09:00 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The difference between porn and erotica:
"Porn is what you like. Erotica is what I like."
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Old 06-25-2006, 10:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Ronnie is VERY recognizeable to the general public! (Except, perhaps to those who live in a cave... or maybe in Utah.)
At the risk of being run out of town on a rail, I'm from Utah and I'd recognize Ron. At least at an erotica convention I'd make the connection. I might miss it if I saw him at the mall.

I saw him in Las Vegas 10-15 years ago. I was there for Comdex and he was the MC at a show I went to at the Sands. Basically, it was a dance show set up with a bunch of adult entertainers. One of the jokes he told has always stuck with me. He was laughing at us guys because we didn't know if we were going to get laid tonight. He went on to explain that only the ladies knew if they were going to get laid. It was certainly an interesting and true observation. Now, everytime I go to a special event with my wife, I think of Ron and that he was right. My wife knows if she's gonna get laid but I don't.

On a side note I was in Venice two weeks ago eating dinner along one of the canals. I saw a boat come buy with a pro video guy on it so it peaked my interest. I look to see what they're filming and it was Hugh and his girlfriends. One thing about Utah, I would probably never see him here.
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Old 06-26-2006, 12:40 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The difference between porn and erotica:
"Porn is what you like. Erotica is what I like."
wrong.

porn is what puts money in my pocket.

erotica is what i sometimes shoot for my own, personal, aesthetic reasons.

what do you do for a living? is it what you like? because you do it does that say that's what you like? maybe it does. maybe you do. but for a lot of people, that ain't the way it is.
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what do you do for a living? is it what you like? because you do it does that say that's what you like? maybe it does. maybe you do. but for a lot of people, that ain't the way it is.

I think you misinterpreted his post, Jimmy. He wasn't saying that porn is what you, Jimmy, personally like, and what he likes is erotica...

he was saying that what anybody else in general likes is porn, and what he likes is "erotica". He was making a statement regarding hypocrisy in general.

That's how I read it anyway.
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
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what do you do for a living? is it what you like? because you do it does that say that's what you like? maybe it does. maybe you do. but for a lot of people, that ain't the way it is.

I think you misinterpreted his post, Jimmy. He wasn't saying that porn is what you, Jimmy, personally like, and what he likes is erotica...

he was saying that what anybody else in general likes is porn, and what he likes is "erotica". He was making a statement regarding hypocrisy in general.

That's how I read it anyway.
i dunno. it didn't seem to say to me "porn is what most like, erotica is what i like" or something like that as you're suggesting. no matter. my response wasn't angry or anything like that. i was merely responding with what came to my mind when i read it. there's wasn't anything emotional going on in my reaction. and i'm not a porn apologist.
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I guess I should have prefaced my quote with "someone once told me..." or some other statement to indicate that I had my tounge firmly planted in my cheek when I said that. As noted below, my quote was a statement of hypocrisy, not an accusation. Kind of like, "Thou shalt not kill - unless its someone who has land you want, is a different skin color, or doesn't believe in the same invisible guy as you"
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