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the ugly truth.
Old 06-23-2006, 12:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am 5' 6". Too short for an agency?

I have been told different things by different photographers. Some say that if a model is too short and they want your look, they will lie and say you are taller than you are. Anybody know if this is true?

I have found so far, that different agencies have different height requirements as well. Irene Marie for example, is 5'9".... while the models on Ford are 5'7", Elite requires 5'8".

I was planning a time to go to open calls to as many agencies in chicago as possible. I have submitted photos online to several agencies as well, but upon reading their height requirements, am now too scared to walk into an open call and be embarrassed and laughed outta the place.
what do you guys think? please help me with this.

also please note: if you know of any amazing growth pill that will make me taller please share! My mom is 5' 10" and my dad is 6" why am I so short???
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You are far better looking. . .
Old 06-23-2006, 01:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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than Kate Moss and about the same height. 'Course to me everybody is better looking than Kate Moss. I truly believe the ony reason she ever got noticed was 'ole what's his face wanted an ugly scrawny broad willing to show her near non existant mams, just to prove a million dollars worth of hype will sell anything including $1.98 jeans marked up to $50 (then). And what do you know it worked he made millions and I suspect so has she.
Which only proves: Forget sex it's hype that sells.
The Moral: You don't three more inches in height, You need a million dollars worth of hype and willingness to bare your assets. With two million you might even be able to keep your shirt on. . . but how would you ever make the supermarket tabloids.
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Re: the ugly truth.
Old 06-23-2006, 01:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, I know this isn't much help, but I do know Kate Moss is 5' 6" and look how far she's gotten, so don't give up!

(Sorry I'm no help -- I really know nothing about agencies -- just thought I'd send some encouraging words. )

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Old 06-23-2006, 03:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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<p>Terrace you aren't TOO SHORT for an agency, just maybe too short for their clients...maybe you need to ask youself the question...what market or genre do I want to be in? And then you can answer your own questions. There are plenty of resources out there.</p>
<p>If you want to do high fashion, you might have to recognize that height is relevant and not apply your images or your efforts to those boutique agencies that only cater to high fashion client needs.....although there are a lot of agencies today trying to make themselves full service (to their benefit in their respective office, obviously)</p>
<p>Commercial modeling in Miami, ask Fish, he will tell you the girls down there still should be of that 5'9?I think he said?, yes even for commercial.
Different markets sometimes have different parameters based on their client's needs. </p>
<p>Here in Philly a dear friend of mine is 5'4", over 35 years and very fit and has more print ads than you can shake a stick at and a solid working resume and is with many agencies here. But again different agencies have different clients and those clients each have an individual need based on their projects. </p><p> In the commercial market here in PHL, it's not about height, it's about fitting into that client's vision. It's not about weight, height, hair color, body shape, etc. The client already has a vision when they contact the agencies to send comp cards or digitial folios to them.</p>
<p>There are so many genres of modeling: fashion, commercial, glamour, convention/tradeshow/spokesmodel, promotional...etc</p>
<p>Decide what genre of this industry you want to be in, shoot those images that the agencies know will be bookable to their clients and go to the open calls. You have nothing to lose! </p><p>Talk to other models in your area too, you can usually get some good feeback from a steady working model who knows the biz and knows who the clients are for that agency (certainly here in PHL, the working models know who is working and who isn't), you should be interviewing them too. There are horror stories out there about models not getting their work for their books i.e. their tearsheet, or getting paid timely as their contract states so be sure to ask questions when it's possible when you go in there too if you get the chance to sit with the booker and show your book </p>
<p>I am sure a few here can elaborate but I just thought I would give you the short version. Fish from Miami has an extensive dissertation on this very subject. :-)</p>
Good luck!
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Re: the ugly truth.
Old 06-23-2006, 04:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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well... with my experience in NYC with the agencies... yes, they really want you to be at LEAST 5'8" but most require you to be 5'9" and the thing is... I even tried to say I was 5'10" and the owner of MAJOR models goes, "eh.. you're not 5'10 - you're like 5'9 1/2" ... but not 5'10"..." sad thing is that they can TELL how tall you are... so it's just pointless to lie about it...

being 5'6" is fine for anything but fashion, so for you, fashion modeling is out of the point really. But they will say that you're not 5'7-5'9... they won't let you get past them... and they really want you to go in with jeans or a jean skirt and a spaghetti strap shirt or a tank top.... wear hardly any makeup either and wear flats. so yeah -it sucks... they know what they want and what they're looking for... and even though you think you have a great look and know you have a great look... you may just not be what they're looking for right now b/c it's all based on luck really... today you may be what they're looking for, but tomorrow is a totally different thing... sucks...
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Terrace you can have many post here from many parts of the country but you are in Chicago's market if that is where you are going to assert your efforts.... and Chicago is a good working market. You need to see what works for your agents in that market and you should schedule appointments with them or attend the open call, face to face is your best bet to knowledge in your market.
BTW I found John Fisher's Information
http://www.johnfisher.com/articlesonmodeling.htm
Read it, it will probably be the most invaluable information you read in your search for knowledge.
Good luck in your endeavors.
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Re: the ugly truth.
Old 06-23-2006, 07:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I for one have no clue what to tell you about agencies or heights or anything , but I would think that actually going to an open call would mean so much more than submitting pics online .
Just for the fact that anyone can post pics, that's easy.
showing them you can show up when you are supposed to (appointment/shoot/job)
MIGHT stick in their minds more than any amount ot emails

Plus if you carry yourself well in person also might stick in their minds.

I would try it before you give up just because of a few inches, as said by others - you could be what they are looking for that day -

as for height miracle cures , let's see....
is it vertical stripes that make you look taller ???
how about pants that are a little short on you to make you look taller
NO , I know .. you need those gravity boots and hang upside down to uncompress your spinal column ( darn that gravity )

Hope you laughed at one of those
Well good luck !
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Old 06-23-2006, 09:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I'd love to spend a couple of paragraphs here debating/discussing the worth and success of (not to mention the comparisons to) Kate Moss, but that would be pointless. So some dude thinks Kate Moss is ugly...what does that have to do with you?

I would like to encourage you to forge ahead with your plans to attend open calls in Chicago.
You are too short for high fashion/runway work...most likely. There are exceptions to the 5'9" rule of course...but they are few and far between.
But, there are other things out there besides the catwalk work....and those agencies have clients that can and do work with models your height.
Your spirit and attitude are quite evident in your writings on this forum (I've been reading them) and I'm quite sure that you would be a very impressive person face-to-face.
Take advantage of that and don't worry about people laughing at you....I doubt that would ever happen.
Keep in mind that Cindy Crawford was turned down by numerous agencies before she was signed...as were TONS of others.
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Old 06-24-2006, 11:16 AM   #9 (permalink)
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thank you very much! I want to model for beauty products (ever since i was a little girl, I wanted to be on one of those hair commercials, hahah) and make-up ads. I will keep looking into different agencies and I have made some friends in chicago that would be more than happy to tell me about their experiances.
My cousin was a male model with an agency in chicago for several years, but he has always told me I was too short.
thank you for the encouraging words! I am determined to open the phone book there and just pound at the pavement until I get something good.
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Terrace you can have many post here from many parts of the country but you are in Chicago's market if that is where you are going to assert your efforts.... and Chicago is a good working market. You need to see what works for your agents in that market and you should schedule appointments with them or attend the open call, face to face is your best bet to knowledge in your market.
BTW I found John Fisher's Information
http://www.johnfisher.com/articlesonmodeling.htm
Read it, it will probably be the most invaluable information you read in your search for knowledge.
Good luck in your endeavors.
this is awesome!! I saved this to my favorites. thank you SO much! I am always searching stuff like this, but keywords like "modeling" or "commercial" just dont cut it, and I never know who to look for. thank you very very much for this!
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