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Photographer says \"no\" to escorts
Old 01-19-2006, 04:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,

I've never posted before but I have a beef with this subject. Okay, I inquired about working with a photographer coming to town and he responded to me per below. He was referring to my profile info on [censored]. (yeah, [censored], I know) This subject just really irks me. For one, you can't be too safe in this day and time as a woman. I just wanna know what all of your takes on his reply to me is. Be honest.

Here it is:

While I might be interested in shooting you, your portfolio has some
things which just turn me off. " For security reasons I always bring
someone with me to photo shoots. " being the most severe. I've had
enough bad experiences with escorts to have a standing rule against them
being within eyesight of a shoot, and generally find that girls who
bring them are unprofessional in their approach to modeling - you don't
bring an escort to any other job, so obviously you must not see modeling
as a real job if that's your attitude. I also question how you could not
trust a photographer with your physical safety (when it's easy to check
with other models whom they've worked with for their on job behaviour)
and yet trust them with images of you (where you can not realistically
track down everywhere they might be using said images and how they may
distort them). It's also a visible barrier that you won't be letting
down your guard to be willing to portray good emotion to the camera -
fine if the photographers only goal is the experience of shooting a
pretty girl, but I'm looking for some emotional vulnerability in my
images.

Best of luck with your modeling.
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Re: Photographer says \"no\" to escorts
Old 01-19-2006, 04:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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First, welcome to the scary world of posting on GG! I'm sure you realize you're opening a bit of a can of worms with your question, so I'll summarize eveything everybody says in advance; you're both right. It's definitely a drag on a shoot to have interruptions of any sort, so the photographer has a point, but you would be crazy to shoot without some sort of failsafe for yourself in place; as an independant model, your easiest and surest bet is an escort. Don't shoot with a photographer you can't come to terms with, and don't lose any sleep over it!
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Re: Photographer says \"no\" to escorts
Old 01-19-2006, 04:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This is always a controversial subject, and I'm sure you'll get a wide varieties of answers here.

The photographer is right that the escort will affect the shoot if they're in the room; one way or the other. That can go either way, though. I shot with a model who's husband was in the room. He was having a ball and was able to coach her into poses and expressions that worked very well. But then I shot with a model who brought her younger brother (still 18+) to a lingerie shoot. That was a bit odd, and I wasn't able to get the sexy attitude out of her that I'm sure I could have if he hadn't been there. Even if the escort never says a word, the model will occasionally be looking over at him/her when she should be looking at you.

I think a good compromise is to allow an escort, but request that they sit quietly in an adjacent room. Then they can still hear what's going on, but the model will feel free to look/act/pose however she's comfortable...without wondering what the escort is thinking.

His argument about not bringing an escort to another job is laughable at best. And his argument about physical safety vs. images is stupid too. I say just ignore the guy from here out. Put him on your junk e-mail list.

I don't require that models bring an escort, but I can't fathom saying no.
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Old 01-19-2006, 04:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree and disagree. Here is my take on it, for the two cents it may not even be worth. I understand that while on a shoot, there are cases where the escort can be a distraction for the model, ie a boy friend. But with that said, the escort can be in the other room if it is appearant that they are being a distraction. Mom's can sometimes create the same issue. In the majority of cases I have experienced, the escorts are rarely a problem. Actually they make great reflector holders and elimenates the need for an assistant. So was this photographer out of line? To a degree yes. If this photographer did not like the terms you laid out, they should have just skipped your profile and moved on. Your convictions are your own and should be respected. Atleast if they felt that strongly about it, a discussion and possible compromise may have been reached, but preaching,..... well that really was not all that necessary or helpful, especially in this situation. Again, just my 2 cents.



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Re: Photographer says \"no\" to escorts
Old 01-19-2006, 04:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have the same rule as it disturbs my work flow. Its not about gender as I have been shooting more males lately and I do not allow them to bring an escort or girlfriends. If you don’t feel safe maybe that’s not the photographer you should be working with or if that’s your rule in general you should look for photographers that are okay with it.

I would make an exception of one were to pay double my normal rate as that what the frustration is worth to me.

Hope that answered your question
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Re: Photographer says \"no\" to escorts
Old 01-19-2006, 04:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I can't see how the photographer can object to an escort as long as its not your boyfriend/husband and it is made perfectly clear that the escort will keep out of the way and be quiet.

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Re: Photographer says \"no\" to escorts
Old 01-19-2006, 04:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You're probably opening a can of worms as I know people's opinion on this vary. Here's mine.

I don't mind if a model brings an escort, as long as the escort understands what she's doing and won't interfere. Some photographers don't want to have to deal with the possiblity.

In a sense he's right that pro models don't bring escorts. But pro shoots have MUA's, stylists, and half a dozen assistants as well. If that's his crew, you don't need an escort for saftey.

I'll probably get a little heat on that definition of pro.

In the end you have to decide what you are comfortable with. This guy creeps me out a little saying he wants "emotional vulnerablity". But if that is the element of his photography you want in your images, then he may be right.
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Old 01-19-2006, 04:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I personally will never work with a photoprapher if he says no to somebody accompanying me. There are way too many freaks out there...and I should know, cuz I've already been contacted by several. They aren't worth my time, if they don't care about my comfort level.
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if the model doesnt feel comfortable shooting with me (99% of the time my team includes 1-2 others, but not always) then we're not shooting.

If you don't feel a comfort level enough to trust the shooter, you probably won't get great stuff anyway.

An escort can drop model off and then receive phone call later when its time to come pick her up.

If i was working with an unknown photographer who was basically amateur, I would probably accept some safeguards. But once the shooter has some established ties, you have to be ready to work alone.

BTW, I know about the 2-3 models who have been murdered in the last 4-5 years, on both east and west coasts. Its a sad situation. Check out your shooter very well.
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Re: Photographer says \"no\" to escorts
Old 01-19-2006, 05:11 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I've been at this a while. I used to say, 'sure bring whoever you want' I don't anymore. I don't agree with how he said what he said.

This is a quote from a two page faq sheet that I send to any model who wants to shoot with me TFP (more on that in a minute).

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My studio is in my home. I prefer that female models bring a girlfriend with them. If that is not possible these are the options in the order I prefer;

1. Bring a girlfriend (if she is great with make-up so much the better)
2. Bring a female relative
3. Do a background check on me by referencing other models who have worked with me (I can provide names, phone numbers and email addresses)

I no longer have an option of bringing a boyfriend or husband because quite frankly most of those sessions were disasters. Either the model’s whole attention was on the lover and not modeling, or I have had them get in arguments or the boyfriend just plain got in my way. I fully realize that many models feel they need the male escort for safety reasons. However, it does not work well in my studio so I wish you well but we will not be working together if you cannot do one of the three choices above.
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Here's the point, you are both within your right to say 'I do not like your conditions for this 'no-money activity'. You can walk away or you can negotiate. I changed my conditions based upon bad experience but here is the funny and odd side of it. NO MODEL WHO WAS PAYING ME TO SHOOT HER HAS EVER BROUGHT AN ESCORT. I find that fascinating and in some ways troubling. I attribute that to the fact that before someone contacted me for a paid shoot they had enough information that they felt they could trust me. So I began to ask myself why do I allow models to come to a TFP/CD shoot with some boyfriend/manager whoever and make my shoot an uncreative envirionment when there are models who pay me and their only goal is to make sure it is a great session?

You are you. You HAVE TO DO what you feel comfortable with doing, but by the same token you should not disparage a photographer who says for a free shoot I cannot accept your conditions.

All of this is just my opinion, but you ask for that.

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