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Old 01-15-2006, 01:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is there any examples of model release forms in the GG archives????

I have been useing the same form for several years with no problem untill now. I gave the form to this young lady and thought she was going to sign it, but she didn't. Over 300 photo's taken and 25 - 30 printed for her as per our verbal agreement. Verbal contracts made in front of witnesses in South Carolina are binding. She doesn't think I have the rights to her pictures, well she hasn't held up her end of the promise, and I haven't been compensated. I do have the copyright for the pictures.
Photographers within 200 miles of Charleston South Carolina beware. If you want her name just pm me and I'll tell you.
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Old 01-15-2006, 03:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Business 101.

Have "models" sign model releases before you shoot- not afterwards.
Changing the paper will not make a difference if he/she will not sign for it first. Yes, you do have rights to the photos, just not publication rights. You are very limited on what you can do with the photo's.

Call this a lesson in wasted time and effort and move on. I am sorry you
allowed this to happen.

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Old 01-15-2006, 03:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Frank,

When I just did a Google search on 'model release form' I got over 50,000,000 hits reported... there's bound to be one or more of releases you're comfortable using in that bunch. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

But, from your description of what happened, it doesn't sound as if any other model release would have made a difference - if she didn't wanna sign, she wasn't gonna.

I've found that I can prevent that situation from happening again (yeah, you're not the only one it's happened to) by getting all the paperwork (release, photo of model with her ID, etc.) done BEFORE starting the shoot. Usually, the model has been given a copy of my coop work agreement beforehand, but regardless, if the model is not willing to sign before we start shooting, then we don't shoot. It's that simple.

Disappointing, yeah, but a lot better than spending a whole lot of time for images that, while I might own the copyright, I can't use anywhere.

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Sorry to hear about this......
Old 01-15-2006, 06:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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But, lesson learned..... NEVER, EVER, click the shutter without first 1) Checking her ID to be sure that she is over 18 (especially for nude images), 2) getting a signed model release, and 3) if required by the location, a signed liability waiver.

As for checking the ID before shooting, while it is important to do this prior to any nude shooting, it is also generally a good idea if you intend to market the images.... Remember, a model release can only be signed by an ADULT. So, if your model is not 18, even if she signs it, it will not be valid.

My standard session goes like this:
1) Welcome the model
2) Take a quick look at his/her book while discussing the concepts for our shoot
3) have him/her sign the MR (I always send it in ADVANCE so they he/she has time to read it and ask any questions)
4) review the ID
5) shoot an image of the id
6) Shoot an image of the id on top of /next to the SIGNED MR
7) have the model hold the ID up to his/her face and shoot an image of the ID and Face

In this way, I have placed the model, ID, and signed MR all in the same "space" at the same time.

After the shoot, I print the two copies of the ID images and attach them to the original MR and to a Copy of the MR (which is stored at another location).

Next time, SIGN before Shutter Release!

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Old 01-15-2006, 10:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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This is pretty close to what I normally do anyway, got in a hurry, I let framilarity get in the way..trust, ha.
Now I pay the price for being dumb.
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Old 01-15-2006, 10:43 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Yep your right! Somebody sent me a copy of what they use it's almost identical for what I use, I'll pay the price for getting in a hurry. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 01-15-2006, 10:48 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Next time, no release, no shoot, or she pays for the session. her choice. You may well be screwed this time around.

My own practice is to discuss the release in my before shoot conversation and if she shows any concern or reluctance, I show her a copy and get a verbal agreement to sign it. I don;t get it signed before the shoot as there there is some disagrement as to whether something can be released before it happens. We sit doen immediately after the shoot and she signs the release. If she doesn't sign it, I'll delete the photos in front of her. She certainly gets no images, digital or print, without a signed release.

As for your present situation, you may be screwed. I would strongly recommend you discuss it with an attorney who is knowledgeable in that area before using them. I understand you have a verbal agreement and witnesses, but using them with a hostile model is an invitation to a law suit. You might well win it, but at what cost? Is it worth the risk of the expense of legal action?

Now if there was some clause in the release which she objected to, then you might have some room for compromise, esp if you wrote the release yourself. For examp0le, if a model is unhappy with my having "unlimited" use rights, I'll gladly modify it something like "no use in men's magazines or porn web sites", I don't sell to those anyway, so it's an easy compromise.
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Your right, I lknow it was a dumb move on my part. Was only going to use them on web site.
I questioned the release till I got a couple more, from some of you guys, very simular, so I wasn't out in left field with out a glove, just the ball went right.
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Old 01-15-2006, 10:57 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Well I never shoot nudes without the paper work up front, copies of two Id's
She works for Hooters, wanted to submit photo's for the calander, ok, I can't use those anyway, but the others I wanted for GG and my website. I'm going to tell her she does not have my permission to use my images at all without that release. We are done, don't want to deal with her any more.....Just gonna be my loss [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Stuff happens.
Spank yourself with a wet noodle
You will be fine,,, it can happen to anyone.


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