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What do you say in this situation...??
Old 12-31-2005, 04:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What do you say when someone is offering paid work, yet the quality of thier work isnt the greatest and isnt how you would like to be portrayed? When i go to the profile and look at his work, its kind of gwc-ish and you can tell that all of them were shot in a hotel room. He has a few okay shots and a few good ones, i know if we shot i would just be another fuzzy girl on a hotel bed.. So, models and photographers... what do you say when you want to turn someone down based on the quality of thier work? If anyone wants more details pm me.. i need help. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Re: What do you say in this situation...??
Old 12-31-2005, 04:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well I would say that if its based on the quality of their work and they want to pay you then sure! Only makes them look bad, many times you will look at a photo and say "wow, the model is hot! but the shot sucks" Some of us voice it more so then others but the point is the same. But I think you answered your own question and that is your excuse, I have been told beofre that the model didnt like my idea and didnt want to be shown in that style of shoot. To me that is a viable excuse. We think of all kinds of crazy wild things. Its what makes us artists. Sometimes we reach outside the box of comfort and dont realize it until the model we had in mind says "um, I dont feel right with that" Bam! there it is. Your answer. I hope that helps. Oh and I hope its not me your talking about, I swear I'm getting better honest!
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Old 12-31-2005, 04:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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There is a difference in someone who takes pride in what they do and someone who just wants money. This is the dilemma you face. My thoughts are as I have told many models, when you give someone the right to post 'bad images' of you that establishes your standards. If that means a step or two backwards for you then you had better understand what the consequences of that are. If it doesn't bother you then I would judge the money was more important than the quality of work you want to portray. But that is just my opinion.


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Re: What do you say in this situation...??
Old 12-31-2005, 05:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ok, since I know I haven't asked anyone yet for a paid shoot, I'll comment.
Back in a previous business of mine I always put quality first. Sure I could have made money on some things but the quality would be lacking. I don't care what it is if quality comes first(as it should in my book) then stay the course.
Guess I'm saying, if this photog won't do well portraying you as you would like, or the idea seems bad to you, then be up front and say no.
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Old 12-31-2005, 05:09 PM   #5 (permalink)
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haha, then why are you telling me? TELL HER. no worries, I do that too [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 12-31-2005, 05:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Hailey,


I'd rather be wrong and rich then right and poor. Take the job and ask that he post using your newly formed stage name
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Old 12-31-2005, 05:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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OOPPS, so sorry [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 12-31-2005, 05:29 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Ok, since I know I haven't asked anyone yet for a paid shoot, I'll comment.
Back in a previous business of mine I always put quality first. Sure I could have made money on some things but the quality would be lacking. I don't care what it is if quality comes first(as it should in my book) then stay the course.
Guess I'm saying, if this photog won't do well portraying you as you would like, or the idea seems bad to you, then be up front and say no.
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I took a look at your portfolio and its awesome. Now, I ask you would you add any of this other photographers images to your portfolio? By your description of the images he shoots I think not. Don't lower your standards.

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Old 12-31-2005, 05:44 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I have been in this situation many times and have handled it different each time depending on where I was in life and in modeling.

There was a time I needed the money to get out of a bad situation and I would shoot for anyone that was paying me. Do I regret a lot of that work now? Yes I do...I cringe everytime I come across one of those old images on a site somewhere. I never thought I would feel that way as long as I was being paid. Keep in mind if you are hoping to do more commerical style stuff, it might hurt your image in the eyes of those doing the hiring if they happen to run across them.

On the otherhand, I worked with a photographer who was a beginner (mostly shooting in hotels) and was really anxious to learn. I helped him with the styling and backdrops as well as the actual images. We converted some of the ones where the lighting was off to b&w and they ended up being beautiful. A lot of so-so or bad images can be salvaged w/ some work in Photoshop. For instance we cropped a lot to make bodyscape and artistic styles rather than glamour.

I often get the feeling that photogs who just have an entire portfolio of bad hotel shots are often the ones who just want to see chicks naked! They should have some landscapes, children, headshots or SOEMTHING else. If they cared that much about bettering themselves or showing the models in a good light, they could learn PS and edit the images to salvage a few and make them look less like they were shot in a hotel. If you have to shoot in a hotel, thats fine, but there is no excuse for not bringing backdrop fabric or paper and/or trying something different.

If I do feel someones work will show me in a bad light, I ask what the images will be used for. I always find out if they will be used on their personal portfolio, an amateur adult site, or never even online (a lot of people I have worked with don't even post on the internet) then I make sure I have a release stating the use and restricting them to other uses. Most photogs don't like that but I have been burned so often that if a photog really wants to learn and better himself, he is usually willing to comply.

Hope this helps...best of luck to you.

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