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Old 12-26-2005, 05:05 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I like the minimal props...all apropro to the idea behind this image. Without stating so in your title the pose, the lighting, the costume and props all say "50's PI" or "Newspaper Woman" to me.
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Re: Must you shoot 700 to 1000 pics?
Old 12-27-2005, 01:07 AM   #42 (permalink)
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My answer? Well, yes and no, it depends.

When I shoot 8x10 film in the studio, I usually get what I want in 1 in 3 because I bracket the film for later scanning and increasing dynamic range. But this is a static and it may take 6 hours and a lot of polaroids to get there [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

On an average session, I usually shoot about 50-100 per hour, or about 200-300 for a three hour session. But I have shot close to 1000 in the same amount of time. It all depends on the model, what the session is, and how fast we are shooting, how dynamic the set was, etc. There are other times that I've take 10-20 shots on a set over the period of a couple hours with a very deliberate look and extensive setup.

In the end, it really all depends on the model and her tempo, how dynamic the set is, what you and the model are after, and the extent of the overall setup. And another thought, what is the model capable of delivering during a three hour session? And this is not meant to reflect either way on this particular model or instance.
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Re: Must you shoot 700 to 1000 pics?
Old 12-27-2005, 02:36 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Who has time to review 1,000 images?
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Re: Must you shoot 700 to 1000 pics?
Old 12-27-2005, 02:42 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Who has time to review 1,000 images?

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When you are getting paid for it, its easy to make the time [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:30 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Most people I know only get paid to produce a good final image, not for the time it takes to review a thousand. That would mean you are effectively reducing the amount you make per hour.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:18 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Most people I know only get paid to produce a good final image, not for the time it takes to review a thousand. That would mean you are effectively reducing the amount you make per hour.

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Isn't this a perfect example of why professional photographers have been arguing why charging on a 'per hour' basis is such as bad idea?

Yes, most photographers I know also get paid to produce a final print, or a series of images as well. However, they work in ALL the costs associated with producing that image into their fee. That includes casting, location scouting, production, rentals, editing, Photoshop work, makeup, styling, etc. Its up to the photographer to make sure they are adequately compensated for ALL their time and expenses, not just the time in front of the client.

If photographers are not charging for their post production time, that's the fault of the photographer. There is no real good business reason for always giving away their services for free, whether its for editing 100 images, or editing 10,000. All that time is directly billable to the client as you are effectively working for them on their project.

If its going to be a demanding shoot and need 1000 images to get a handful of keepers, then ones fee should go up to reflect this. Further, even ones time spent marketing, doing administration tasks, sales calls, image archiving, etc, needs to be worked into ones costs as overhead. Not doing so is a very good way to put yourself out of business in a short amount of time.

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Re: Must you shoot 700 to 1000 pics?
Old 12-27-2005, 04:07 PM   #47 (permalink)
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In 2 hours I shoot about 300. If you can't get a good image out of 300 maybe there needs to be some improvment in communication between the photographer and the subject.


...more isn't better. Quality is better.

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Re: Must you shoot 700 to 1000 pics?
Old 12-27-2005, 04:10 PM   #48 (permalink)
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A handful of good images should be able to be picked out of a few hundred. I would say shooting 1,000 images is a waste of time/money. If a photographer can't get a few good shots out of 300-500 images there is something not working there. Now, if you are shooting a wedding, 1,000 images is nice to have.
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:03 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Last Friday I shot with Angela who has only had one photoshoot under her belt and that one was at a photographers shootout. We had the opportunity to work together at that shootout for about thirty minutes.

At our four hour shoot last Friday I took 310 total images of which I thought 71 were good (22%) but for one reason or another, (wild hair, expression, etc) narrowed that number down to 13 which I deemed to be "keepers". (4%)

I know that my percentages would be higher with a professional model but "Thems' The Breaks" you get with an amateure model.

Here's a keeper.

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Re: Must you shoot 700 to 1000 pics?
Old 12-27-2005, 06:16 PM   #50 (permalink)
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The traditional model is, the photographer charges for rights to reproduce an image and the expenses concommitant to making it. A busy commercial studio (doing advertising) will have assistants or specialists doing the post work and that counts as an expense. Shooters who can produce good results with lower expenses are more competitive.

The first studio I worked in, we spent half a day and 20 polaroids to shoot six 4x5 sheets of of film... usually one or two went to the client. The next job I had was shooting for a paper and they gave me 2, maybe 4 rolls of Tri-X and one roll of Kodacolor; I was expected to burn it all and turn it in. The expenses per 4x5 were high, frequently more than the copyright license... of course the photographer marked up his expenses. With the paper, the expenses were controlled by the amount of film the editor gave me... I got paid by the roll and my car was on me.

I'm not trying to be contrary, I happen to really like your portfolio and website by the way, very professional. But I think if a shoot is extremely demanding, you can compensate better with planning and preparation than with lots of frames... and in the end it costs you less to get the shot... which means you can charge less on the expense sheet... which means you can better compete.

I'm not opposed to shooting 1000 frames, or 2000 frames, I love to shoot... but man, I hate to deal with that many digital images. I suck at DAM already and it would just be begging for trouble if I upped my frame count per shoot. As it is now, I'm improving my skill at knowing when a shot sucks the second I open the shutter and then going back and deleting it in the camera.

I totally agree, you should never give away your post-production time... hell, I think you should charge more for it because it's not as much fun. You should charge for every expense you have associated with a shoot... but reducing the source of those expenses, like post work, is a good thing.

Just my angle. I like computers and imaging, but I like shooting waaaay better.

Chip

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