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Where\'s the money Oral? (Roberts)
Old 12-15-2005, 11:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So is anyone making money? I've put the nose to the grindstone, pounded the pavement, put out flyers,and Hell, I've even shot loads of TFPissing away my time. I've done the marketing, marketing books, marketing workshops, and even the supermarket. I've proven that I can produce good products, yet I continue to read about inept boobs that pander crap to people for hundreds of dollars and more and keep buying more and more of the latest and greatest equipment that will be obsolete at best when I can afford it. Seriously.
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Re: Where\'s the money Oral? (Roberts)
Old 12-16-2005, 12:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's not just what you know, it's WHO you know and how well you can network and communicate... Without a lot of luck, it just takes years of consistently good work (and good business practices) to get enough people talking about you to bring in a steady stream of good paying projects. I just wonder if I have enough years left...

Good luck Adam, looking forward to meeting you next week.

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Old 12-16-2005, 12:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Take a look at your work and see if your market in YOUR area is deserving of it. If you have truly marketed and pounded the pavement....well....what your telling us is nobody wants to buy your work so go figure.

I can't shoot model portfolios on a constant level in Pittsfield Illinois and I certainly can't recommend Pike County's Pork Queen to invest in a model portfolio so take a look at your market and find out what market is in your area when it comes to photography. Shoot to that market or go broke trying everything else because anyone letting their art get in the way of business will most likely fail. Anyone putting the two hand in hand will most likely succeed.

So if you think you got it and it's not working then you don't get it.

I can't fish for catfish with lures and I can't fish for bass with stink bait yet so many photographers want to fish with the wrong bait and wonder why they are not catching any fish. Go Figure

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Re: Where\'s the money Oral? (Roberts)
Old 12-16-2005, 12:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It's not just what you know, it's WHO you know and how well you can network and communicate... Without a lot of luck, it just takes years of consistently good work (and good business practices) to get enough people talking about you to bring in a steady stream of good paying projects. I just wonder if I have enough years left...

Good luck Adam, looking forward to meeting you next week.

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This is a testament to that. Story
It's what got me so spun up.
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JT. Thanks for the gem. AS busy as you are you still take the time to lend a hand. The mark of a true gentleman.
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Re: Where\'s the money Oral? (Roberts)
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It's what got me so spun up.

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That sort of thing is frustrating, isn't it. Looks like he just had a bit of luck. In the right place at the right time. Looks like he has natural talent as well but there are plenty of others just as telented not doing so good.

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First time I been here all night as a matter of fact and just stopped in before turning it in. I understand the frustration. Reading the story that prompted you to post speaks volumes that his style fits the market in New York.

Everyone should read the story. A little luck but his skills are obviously right to the market.

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Re: Where\'s the money Oral? (Roberts)
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MIKE,
The killer is in the first paragraph where it says he didn't even know how to turn the camera on.
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Re: Where\'s the money Oral? (Roberts)
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I have been involved in photography for about 30 years. Professionally for only 3 years. I'm just north of Tampa, Fl. I often go to a local camera store (North Tampa Photography)and buy equipment, dyesub paper, etc. One day one of the sales staff asked me " How come you are always busy?" Before I could answer he said I have photographers that come in here who can't find work. You come in and are always working. I told him I shoot everything. Weddings, portraits, events, head shots, dog portraits, etc. I also did some work for the local chamber of commerce free of charge and made some contacts (networking). I am now getting to shoot some private glamour for clients (which is what I want to do), but I'm not stopping the other. Don't get tunnel vision.

So, I agree with JT's statements

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Re: Where\'s the money Oral? (Roberts)
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Your work is really awesome! Unfortunately, the type of pictures we take are necessarily good for posting in the hallway of someones home. Because they stay tucked away and used very little, people are just not willing to pay much for them. In addition, the models with the right look don't want to pay for what God gave them for free. I agree that the way to make money is to jump on those family pictures, weddings, church groups, etc. Just gotta keep all your photos in the right content mix.


Good luck!


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