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Old 11-29-2005, 09:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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There's been question of whether or not an image posted on a website can be considered "published". (I'm not talking about putting your own images on a website for self-promotion. That's like buying ad space in a magazine and calling it a "tear sheet". um, no...)

Some of the "old school" pros don't consider it published unless it appears in print, but this attorney suggests that "published" is "when you distribute copies of your work to the public by sale, lending, or leasing". That would mean that having your images posted on some one else's website or in the extras section of a DVD could be considered published.

While her article is about publilshing for purposes of copyright, I think it is time that the concept of a "tear sheet" be re-thought as well. When your work is "published", I don't think the medium in which it is published should come into play. While the "prestige" is different, publication on Playboy's cyberclub is as published as publication in Special Editions is as published as the monthly Playboy flagship magazine. The strict definition of a tear sheet is something that is "torn" from printed material. Sheet Rock is a brand name. That doesn't stop folks from calling all dry wall "sheet rock".

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Re: Web = Published?
Old 11-29-2005, 09:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Ed, you seriously need to take some pictures. You are having too much time on your hands to try and think....lol

Just like a common term for cola is Coke so is being published.

Definitions of "Published"

# To prepare and issue (printed material) for public distribution or sale.
# To bring to the public attention; announce.

So if we put up a model on our website and open that website up to the public then it is published. Sale or no sale, it's published.

We like to define things based on status. You and I both know that if someone screams I have been published on midwestgirlsthatgobad.com, that is not really a published credential in the eyes of something printed in a magazine but it is still considered published in terms of it's meaning. Sale or no sale.

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Old 11-29-2005, 10:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think it's sort of a false dichotomy to argue about whether web use counts as "published" any more. If I got a photo set on Playboy's website, or shot a pic that the Tribune's online edition used as a section header I'd consider myself published. If I went on lulu.com and made a little book of images and sold three of them, I wouldn't.

As always, what counts is the quality and breadth of exposure.

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Old 11-29-2005, 10:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Ed, you seriously need to take some pictures. You are having too much time on your hands to try and think....lol

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Oh man, ain't that the truth!!
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You and I both know that if someone screams I have been published on midwestgirlsthatgobad.com, that is not really a published credential in the eyes of something printed in a magazine but it is still considered published in terms of it's meaning.

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Now you're talking prestige - not published. Published in "Swingers Of the South" isn't as prestigious as published in "Glamour", but it is "published".

I've seen a number of photographers and models count their self-paid for ads in Teeze magazine as "published" and "tear sheets".

I'm not arguing that being published is the end all be all goal. Hell, I have a few images published on an internationally distributed DVD. Those images have brought me 0 business - but hey, I'm published! That and $2 gets me coffee at Starbucks.

I am positing that the old guard definitions of published and even "tear sheet" need to be reconsidered for the digital age. The worth and value - prestige - of those publications and tear sheets is another discussion.

Now...I need to find me a model.

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Old 11-29-2005, 10:21 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Heh - its like that guy who wanted to use some of my photos on his website (he was charging memberhip and attempting to make money). When I told him I wouldn't give him anything, but I would sell him a license to use the images, he came back with, "But you'll be published and get recognition!"

*yawn*

His website is gone now. I guess he didn't get enough "recognition".
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I am positing that the old guard definitions of published and even "tear sheet" need to be reconsidered for the digital age. The worth and value - prestige - of those publications and tear sheets is another discussion.

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I was hoping that was my point in my reply....

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Old 11-29-2005, 10:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Pass the coffee, please...

Yep, it was. All work and no play, you know?
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:30 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I had somebody ask me to do TFP catalog work the other day.

Now, while I could see doing it in some circumstances - like a really nice fetish line or something - just plain ol' catalog work is NOT appropriate for TFP. We do the editorial and portfolio stuff cheap so we can *get* commercial work and make some MONEY. If we do the commercial stuff free too, that doesn't leave much.

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Old 11-29-2005, 10:37 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Ed, the only place that question really maters is with the copyright office and the web is a distribution device so it is considerd "published" by them. Some photographers create galleries of their work and place them online so that they can register the photos as published so that they don't have to resubmit something that was registered as unpublished as published at a later date.

AND some lawyers consider any photos that are shot as an assignment (i.e. you have a customer who has some useage granted to the photos) are considered published because they have been "offered" to the client.

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Old 11-29-2005, 07:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm not sure what you're getting at with your question. But in legal terms it is certainly published when it's on the web. All the rules about copyright and fair use and model releases, etc, etc, apply just as much on the web as in print.

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