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HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-26-2005, 07:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My wife has offered to buy me one present this year, but it's a good one. She has offered to purchase me a Canon 5D. She's a keeper, that's for sure.

This may sound strange, but I am not sure if I should take her up on it. I have drooled over the specs (I shoot a Canon 10D right now), but I have not looked at the comments or anything with an eye to actually owning one in my lifetime.

Advice? Comments? (especially from someone who's got one)?

Should I just go with the 20D and spend the difference on something else cool?

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Re: HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-26-2005, 03:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think it depends on what your needs are for your pics.
Also depending on what lenses you have I'd probably say get some good lenses, a 24-70 2.8 lens or 70-200 2.8 lens [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
The 10D is a good camera, I moved up to the 20D just cause I need the extra buffer
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Re: HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-27-2005, 12:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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That's some wife you have there, I would much rather have a 1D Mk II than a 5D, but it all comes down to what you are going to shoot. If you are not shooting anything that is FAST moving or need a sealed profesional body, then I would go for a 20D and a nice piece of "L" Glass.

NOTE: A 5D + the Grip + extra battery is about the price of a 1D MK IIN...
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Re: HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-27-2005, 06:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think if you move to the 1D series, you will never look back. I shot with a 10D and now a MarkII. Good point about the grip and battery running you real close to the 1D MarkII price. 45 point AF is that good.

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P.S. Merry Christmas!!
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Re: HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-27-2005, 09:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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As a 1D Mark II, 10D, and 20D and Rebel XT Owner, I briefly considered adding the 5D to the family.

After finally taking my Mark II outside for shooting, the answer became obvious. I will add a second 1D Mark II N to my collection. The 5D is really a big fat 20D with a full frame sensor. The full frame is nice to get full use of your lenses, but after shooting with the 20D and then moving back to my 1D Mark II, I can tell you the difference in image size is not going to make you sweat.

The 1D feels like a real film camera -- an EOS 3, or 1V.. It is built, sealed, and rugged..

As a note, there is amazing interpolation software out there to get you 5 more megapixels out of your images, so you are left with the full frame Sensor..

That's not enough to convince me.

The Mark II is a pro camera and the 5D is not.. Some day, the pro cams (1DS Mark II etc) will be within reach, and then I will move to the larger image..

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Re: HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-27-2005, 03:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
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go for the 5d. there's always your birthday and/or next christmas for the other stuff.
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Re: HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-27-2005, 08:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Anyone that is saying the 5d is not a pro camera has simply not used one.

I own both a 5d and a 1d2, the 5d does better images (stills, portraits...) end of story. If you are a sports shooter, 5D will not be ideal.

I have learned in the many years with my wife, take her up on her offer and smile...dont ask questions or 'tweak' the deal.
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Re: HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-29-2005, 06:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I've been thinking that the 20D is the way to go for me, but the reviews I have read say that they do not think it is a valid upgrade for me from the 10D. I wonder if Canon is coming out with a 30D any time soon. Any ideas on how to find that out?
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Re: HELP! Canon 5D for Xmas or Not?
Old 11-29-2005, 09:59 AM   #9 (permalink)
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well based on Canons previous release cycles, I would expect a 20D replacement by mid-2006 and probably will be shown at the Feb 2006 Camera Shows.

It is a much bigger upgrade from the 10D to a 20D than the previous upgrade from a D60 to a 10D.

But I as you probably know GOOD GLASS makes all the difference and you need look no further than GG's own Andy Macfarland (Amaginations) to see what a 10D mated to a 70-200L 2.8 IS can produce.
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First Greg, from someone who shoots with both the 10D and the 20D, the 20D is a substantial upgrade. While the actual pixel increase (from 6 to 8 MP) is not a big deal, it still gives you a little more room for cropping. However, the camera functions are substantially better. One thing you notice right away is how fast the images are available for viewing (chimping), particularly when you are shooting a burst of 5 or 6 pictures quickly. The autofocus system is better (although in truth I never had much problem with the 10D). The 20D is a great camera, and today with all the discounting and Canon rebates, it's a bargin of the first order.

Okay, the rebates and discounts are available for a reason, it's pretty obvious that Canon is introducing a new camera to replace the 20D (25D, 30D, 40D, whatever), probably in March at PMA. Based on Canon's typical roll out, the camera should be generally available sometime in early April. While I have no inside information it's fair to assume that the autofocus system will be improved (I'm guessing a few "hidden" focus points bunched around the center to improve tracking of moving subjects, like the new 5D). There will be an increase in pixel output, again I'm guessing to slightly over 10 mega pixels. And almost certainly the screen on the back of the camera will be increased in size quite a bit which is welcomed. Will it be a big improvement over the 20D, as much as the jump from the 10 to 20D? It will be better, probably not enough to wait. Look at it this way, for the same money (given the discounts and rebates) would you rather have a 20D AND a 17-40 f4L zoom today, or a 40D by itself sometime in April? Ahhh, for me it would be a no brainer (no shock there, I actually have no brain!).

Now, the 5D. Great camera, the jump to almost 13 Mega Pixels is a big deal (as anyone who saw the original files from Canon's 1Ds several years ago knows) and the camera is full frame. The view finder is huge compared to the 10/20D, and the increased control of depth of field compared to a cropped sensor camera is important to many fashion and glamour photographers. But nothing is free, you could by three (as in 3!) 20D's today for the cost of one 5D. Or two (as in 2!) 20D's, the 17-40 f4L zoom AND the 70-200 f4L zoom for the cost of 1 (as in one) 5D (again given all the rebates and discounts available). OR ...... a 20D, a 24-70 f2.8L zoom, a 70-200 f2.8L zoom, the virtical grip, an extra battery, a one gig CF card and a decent camera bag (whew!) all for the cost of one 5D!!! (All prices based on major online retailers such as KEH in Atlanta and include Canon's triple rebate program.)

Me? I'm caught in a bind. The simple fact of my business is that while the average art director at an ad agency might not be the sharpest blade in the drawer, they can all count. To them 8 is better than 6, 13 is better than 8, and unfortunately (for me) 16 is better than 13. So at a minimum I have to have a 5D. Never mind that most of what that camera will produce (in terms of pixel count) is meaningless when it comes to final print size, they want it and I have to provide it.

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