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Mario Testino, Donald Trump, Half Naked Model....and Some Geese. (really.)
Old 09-30-2005, 01:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Continuing the discussion on MT....here's an excerpt from Donald Trump's book, "The Art of the Deal" (pgs. 24-25):



A friend of mine, a highly successful and very well known painter, calls to say hello and invite me to an opening. I get a great kick out of this guy because unlike some artists I’ve met, he’s totally unpretentious.

A few months back he invited me to come to his studio. We were standing around talking when all of a sudden he said to me, “Do you want to see me earn $25,000 before lunch?� “Sure�, I said, having no idea what he meant. He picked up a large open bucket of paint, and splashed some on a piece of canvas stretched on the floor. Then he picked up another bucket, containing a different color, and splashed some of that on the canvas. He did this four times and it took him perhaps two minutes. When he was done, he turned to me and said, “Well, that’s it. I’ve just earned $25,000. Let’s go to lunch.�

He was smiling, but he was absolutely serious. His point was that plenty of collectors wouldn’t know the difference between his two minute art and the paintings he really cares about. They were just interested in buying his name.


I think plenty of artists fall into this category. Is it wrong? No, they've worked the business side of it so their name is what give the product its cool, not so much the quality of work itself. (was every Beatle album really good? No, but it's the Beatles fer chrissake.) Is Britney Spears really a good singer? No, but we all loved the packaging the product came in. Ever hear a Yoko Ono album? (you'd rather lick a dirty ashtray...trust me.) I salute these folks....they've worked the psychology and mastering of branding to their advantage. Now, THAT'S art.

We teach this stuff in the workshops...it's about the marketing, kids. This is the irony of American bidness...if it's cool, it can still suck and sell. (Eat McDonalds's on an empty stomach and you'll know what I mean.) On the flip side, plenty of outstanding photogs out there ready to move back in with their parents because they haven't mastered the Art of the Deal.

Hey, I salute any photog that can market themselves and win the business game in spite of their work. It's takes plenty of luck to achieve that status, a good head for business, and prime networking abilities.

I look forward to the day I can ignore bad lighting, take out of focus pics, and still get paid well for it. ;-)


That'll be $25,000 please. Whattya mean I ain't there yet? Geeeeez....

Jim
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Re: Mario Testino, Donald Trump, Half Naked Model....and Some Geese. (real
Old 09-30-2005, 01:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I look forward to the day I can ignore bad lighting, take out of focus pics, and still get paid well for it. ;-)

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that's easy to do. shoot adult (XXX) stuff. it may not be $25K for two minutes, but it often pays pretty well for more than a few truly incompetent photographers.
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Re: marketing and maKing $$$
Old 09-30-2005, 02:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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well, also if you're an ARTISTIC photog, nobody will buy that also.

porn... tried it. also couldn't make any $$ thar too. but i dont like that so i shoot erotica.. more artistic... almost the same.

still no $$$
 
 
Were\'s Al now.
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Excellent point and perspective. I have to laugh when I saw your pic. I shot a far less revealing image of the same model and got totally ripped by a photog named Al (last name removed for ethic's sake). But you were not blasted in such a way by him. Guess you fall under that famous catigory yourself and can get away with it, lol. Again great point.
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I Also.....
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...stayed at a "Holiday Inn Express" last night.

Jim
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Re: I Also.....
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I bow in respect to your greatness, oh might duck master. LOL
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Re: Were\'s Al now.
Old 09-30-2005, 07:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Al's right here...

Come on, let's be straight about my comments to you. I said I was disappointed in how you chose to photograph the model. I don't recall "ripping" much... but it was a while ago and I forget things. Besides it was private email...

and I didn't even realize Jim's image was the same model.

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Alright already, what\'s with the friggin\' Beatles???
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You must have been dropped on your head while Number Nine was playing in the background! You are right about one thing Jim, I think I like listening to "I Touch Myself" better as well.

Okay, so it isn't who you know, or who you blow, or what you blow, or what you know... its how you know them. Getting to know the people is easy, getting to know them in the right way... now that's the b*tch. I have been at the promotion game for a really long time, and a lot of people know who I am (I think they are the same people who know you [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ), but not all in a way that is profitable nor socially rewarding. I really have come to the conclusion though that you don't have to be that great at the craft... you have to be good, yes, but you need to be only as good as your style. Style is the most important aspect of the introduction, especially if someone takes a serious liking to that style and won't go to anyone else to try and get it... being unique is good.

Being unique and weird is even better.

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I Love the Beatles...!!!!
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I knew I'd get your attention....notice I never mentioned "the White Album"....Mean Mr. Mustard never hit the top 10 but we all like it.

And unique and weird is good....when you're famous, you're called eclectic and a visoionary. When you're an unknown shmoe like me, it's just plain weird. ;-)

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