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sniff sniff -- is it me??
Old 09-19-2005, 07:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I checked my breath and under my arms, and all seems to be in olfactory order. So what gives??

I'm hosting another Play Day at my house in a few weeks. I have a great line-up of very talented photographers, and quite a few others on the stand-by list (sorry guys [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] ). When it comes to models, however, I got nothin'!

My first choice for models was right here on GG. I searched for every model within 100 miles of my zip code and sent them an invitation. I posted on the TFP section. No one has replied.

I sent invites to everyone of the models in my home address book. No one has replied.

I have sent over 30 invites to models on 0MP. One replied.

I have sent a dozen or so invites to models on M0del Mayhem. None have replied.

I know I have a decent rep around here - at least I thought I did - and I know the photographic talent coming to Play Day is great. I'm really excited about working with and around all of the guys. My wife and I host a decent party - we do at least two a year. So what gives??

Hell, I haven't even had a shoot in over a month. The summer has all but gone, and I haven't added one image to my Naiads collection. If it weren't for Missy Crabbe I wouldn't have shot much of anything this summer!

I guess it is the cyclical dry spell - again.

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Re: sniff sniff -- is it me??
Old 09-19-2005, 08:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I totally understand your frustration. I'm doing the same thing here. I'm also trying to find an MUA. I do have some models lined up, but they are just local girls that I've shot. Not "models" which is fine, but I wanted one or two more just incase somebody couldn't come at the last minute. I've sent out a lot of e-mails and only gotten one reply. And it was a no thanks. I understand, that's fine. I'm just glad I got the reply so I know.

So, any models out there in the ST. Louis area want to come? How about a MUA? It's going to be a lot of fun!!!

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Re: sniff sniff -- is it me??
Old 09-19-2005, 08:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It may seem simple but the price of gas and the uncertaintity of these times is making people withdraw from doing things they would have easily done 6 months ago. I talk to a lot of folks in business and just acquaintences and they all say much the same thing.

So no it isn't you.


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Re: sniff sniff -- is it me??
Old 09-19-2005, 09:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Don't feel bad guys. Other than offering a spot in a friend of mine's catalog (he's a designer in Manhattan), I haven't gotten any response either from all of the same sources. Take a look around right now. Money is scarce. People are struggling. My girlfriend and I are barely making rent, and I bet that it is way less than a lot of people's mortages right now. ($850) There's lots of models here in Tampa, that's one of the biggest reasons for my move here, but without the proper compensation not one of them is going to perform. It's sad really. Tons of young women with decent looks with their claws dug into the cash cow. THe thing is, I don't blame them at all. I'm 33 so I consider myself quasi young, and I hate the fact that my generation is taking the fiscal fall for the groovy 60's, and 70's where excess was king. I can't understand my generation either with it's out of whack debt to income ratio and BLING BLING attitude.

A party is definitely gonna help ease some of the social unrest out there, but unless yer HEF, don't count on any models to put up for free. A lot of them need to eat more than we do anyways. Then again, I've been wrong before. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Re: sniff sniff -- is it me??
Old 09-19-2005, 10:17 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Sorry to hear that man... if I were closer (but I do mean a hell of a lot closer LOL) I'd gladly help ya out, but from where I'm sittin right now.. I don't think I can [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] Sorry! Hope you gets some models before your party [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-19-2005, 10:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't think it's you ED...I've been trying to do a TFP/CD on a project for months and can't get any response. Things are also slow at my studio and I've all but stopped trying to do tests because of the costs involved. I pay for things like studio rent, utilities, equipment, insurance, lab costs, etc. I'm a good photographer (at least my clients think so) but every time I ask a model to work with me all they want to know is what they can get from me. Seems like prints are not enough...they want cash. Whats wrong with this picture? We as photographers spend hundreds if not thousands on equipment and training so we can create beautiful images. Models on the other hand have very little invested yet still insist that they be GIVEN everything at no charge. I for one can no longer afford to give it away. If models need pics they should be willing to pay at least some of the expenses required to create these images. At least this would put us on a level playing field. If a model is truly serious about modeling they should be willing to share in the expense, after all images are a legitimate business expense.

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Re: sniff sniff -- is it me??
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Let's not let this degenerate into a "why won't models shoot for free" thread. There are myriad reasons a model will forego a TFP/test shoot in for a paid gig. I don't blame them! I'd pass up free for $$ in a heartbeat!

If my Play Day were a half-dozen GWCs looking to get close to purty girls, I would expect problems getting models. But, frankly, my photographer line-up rocks! I'd go so far to say I'm going to be the least talented and accomplished photographer of the bunch!

Ah well - in about a week or two, the models will be clamouring to be shot for free by the likes of Houston Smith, Chris North, Greg Kendall, Mark Harper, Stu Haluski, and Elvis Thompson - as well as getting one of my tasty burgers from the grill! And their chance will have passed them by! Mwahahahahahaha!
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:04 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Jules " I do love a tasty burger. You see, I can't usually get em' because my girlfriend is a vegetarian..." Reminded me of Pulp Fiction. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-19-2005, 11:06 AM   #9 (permalink)
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See... your problem is that you're in GA. and I'm in CO. It's all about location man, and unfortunately it's a long expensive drive and an ungodly amount to fly, so I can't help. Now, if you ever decide to take this play-day idea on the road, the Rocky Mtns. had better be on your list. Nobody ever comes to Colorado... Sigh
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egotists, stirppers, escorts, and models
Old 09-19-2005, 11:19 AM   #10 (permalink)
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If a model is truly serious about modeling they should be willing to share in the expense

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many so-called "models" aren't really serious about being models, they're serious about getting paid for some serious ego gratification. also, more than a few internet models are also strippers, escorts, etc. these women are accustomed to getting paid well for displaying or using their bodies. so why is it surprising they extend the same mercenary attitudes towards their so-called modeling careers?

i ain't saying this is true for all of them, i ain't even saying i slight them for it, i'm just saying its true for a significant number of them.
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