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Old 03-01-2008, 10:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This picture is of my son, Brian. I did not take this one, but I am going to try to recreate it while he is topless and in his waterpolo swimsuit.



My question is how would you meter this with your flash meter? Meter him without the flame then light the ball on fire? Would you have to adjust for this additional light?

Any help would be appreciated!!

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Cool shot. If I were to do this, I'd say meter the flash -- not much light is coming from the fire by comparison. However, the important thing will be to drag the shutter after the flash so that you see the fire on the sensor.

This will be more challenging in a pool if that pool is lit by lights other than your flash. Dragging your shutter will add more of that light (and its likely not a daylight color balance either).

I've not done much pool work. RG and others that go to VI likely have some great advice on that for you.
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Just add the fire in post. You can take some photos of fire from a campfire, etc and then composite them onto the ball. You can go for realism by making the lighting for the shot of the subject be fire light. The example you posted does not look realistic because it's obvious that the lighting for the subject is not the fire.
Here is an example where I shot the fire in Texas the model in the Virgin Islands and this is the result:

http://www.glamour1.com/photoplog/im...-vi-05fire.jpg

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Just add the fire in post.
That sounds nowhere near as fun!
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Old 03-02-2008, 01:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for the replies. I was present when the school photographer took this one and the fire is really on the ball. The photog had a softbox directly in front of him and a strip light to camera right. I think the softbox directly in front of him didn't allow the flames to light up his face. I'm going to try to do this with just a softbox to camera right and hopefully have the ball light up his right side (closest to the ball) of his face. I'll be shooting manual and RAW, but, I'm still wondering if I could somehow use my flash meter to get a starting point for the F stop and the Shutter speed.

Thanks again!!

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If you want the fire lighting up his face, I would add an additional, snooted flash (maybe a off-camera speedlight) with a colored gel to camera left. You should be able to dial that down so it doesn't over power, but it will produce a lot more light.

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Call me paranoid but I am paranoid when it comes to fire and someone getting hurt. I split each of the shots into 2. 1 where the young guys was holding a non-burning golf club or basketball and then taking the same items and taking a picture of them outside being held up on a post. So that nobody can get burned and then combine them in photoshop.

To get the fire, I rubbed rubber cement on them and that produced a great flame.

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Image 2:


I will try to dig up the exif info on these to help you out.

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Frankly, I agree with RFS, if only because it allows you to focus on the appropriate technical issues for each stage of the shot. Getting your son lit and captured in one step, then getting the flame lit, shaped, and captured separately. Since you're not a special effects guru, it simplifies everything to do it separately. Just my opinion.
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Call me paranoid but I am paranoid when it comes to fire and someone getting hurt. I split each of the shots into 2. 1 where the young guys was holding a non-burning golf club or basketball and then taking the same items and taking a picture of them outside being held up on a post. So that nobody can get burned and then combine them in photoshop.

To get the fire, I rubbed rubber cement on them and that produced a great flame.




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I agree 100%. If no one gets hurt.. it is "cool".. but it only takes one time and the photographer will naturally and justifiably be held to blame. With today's lawsuit happy society, it is better to be safe.

Anyway.. that is the reason digital was invented in the first place, right?

They new 50 years ago we needed something to take the risk factor out of such things as burning balls and flaming frogs.
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