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Old 03-26-2007, 05:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What is a better way to get a B&W photo? Would you jsut change your camera to shoot in B&W or would you just convert a color image to B&W on the comp? Aside from the fact that you woul dhave a color adn a B&W image by converting a color image. Pretty much what will produce a better B&W image?
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Old 03-26-2007, 07:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What is a better way to get a B&W photo? Would you jsut change your camera to shoot in B&W or would you just convert a color image to B&W on the comp? Aside from the fact that you woul dhave a color adn a B&W image by converting a color image. Pretty much what will produce a better B&W image?
Depends on your camera. On many Canon models such as the 20D or 30D, etc, you can shoot RAW + JPG. You can thens et the camera to B/W and you'll end up with a B/W JPG, but you'll have the full RAW data along with the color for further manipulation. Some people (like J T Smith) really like the B/W directly out of the camera. Other's like the extra flexibility to play with a variety of PS methods to get B/W out of the RAW data. If you have the CS3 Beta of PHotoshop, it even has B/W controls right in the RAW converter.

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Old 03-26-2007, 07:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've always leaned towards shooting color and then using either the channel selector or channel mixer in photoshop. You can liken this to using filters with black and white film (for those who are silver freaks)

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Re: Better B&W
Old 03-27-2007, 06:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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There are several ways to do it in PS.

I don't know about the BEST way, but I can tell you my way. I like it because it gives you posibilities.

As a final steep, once the image has been retouched.

Create two adjustment layer on top of everything (From bottom to top):

Layer - Adjustments - Hue/Saturation (Mode: Color) - Click ok without doing any adjustment for now.





Layer - Adjustments - Hue/Saturation (Mode: Normal) - Bring down the saturation slider completelly and click ok.



Once you a have the image desaturated you go back to the color mode hue/Saturaturation layer adjustment.

Set the Saturation to +15 (Actually you can play between +5 to +20 but not more or it's going to show some weird marks)
Then PLAY with the HUE, keep your focus on the subject and play with the hue untill you like what you see.



You can have many optionswith the same image this way:
-180 HUE


+44 HUE


And if you have experience using mask you can always do several convertions on the same image in diferent layers and mask white where you want it

Hope this is clear for you. The key: EXPERIMENT!
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Re: Better B&W
Old 03-27-2007, 10:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
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That bad? I don't get any feedback on the mini tut?
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Natalia,

Thank you for the mini tuti.

I am going to try it on some of my images. I am an old film guy and want to develop my skill in b/w imagery in digital. The only problem, is I don't "know' what's "right."

I liked it better when I shot film and it just came out and you were done, with maybe a little dodging and burning(Over-simplification). Now there are so many choices.

My goal is high quality, high contrast images a-la George Hurrell. I will only be using a DSLR rather than the medium or large format capture as I just cannot afford $20-40K for the backs and resultant hardware/software.
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Old 03-27-2007, 08:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Good stuff, thanks, i knew id get an answer here, haha.cant wait to try out all of the above techniques.
thanks again.
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Old 03-27-2007, 08:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That good! Everbody's still trying to catch up to you.
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Going to try that technique in the morning, oh wait, it is morning.
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And just in case he's still in the dark ages like myself, I choose b&w film, but I don't think he is, wouldn't make sense. But one more method availble is shooting in color and using the desaturate feature in PHotoshop.

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